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« on: December 13, 2011, 06:53:16 am »

I use DBpoweramp but gosh when I rip my older CD's it has a nasty habit of cutting off the track before it has finished and starting the next track with the end of the previous track when playing back. I emailed DB and they say its the CD. Its more than one in fact its lots, so should I be ripping these track by track or is there something BETTER?????

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« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2011, 08:05:23 am »

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or is there something BETTER?????
Exact Audio Copy? See: http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/

or perhaps in the future a solution in XXHE?

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« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2011, 06:32:53 pm »

I cannot offer a solution, but FYI I have ripped a couple of thousand CDs with dBpoweramp and have never had this problem.
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« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2011, 08:08:39 pm »

Same here. Never had this problem using dbpoweramp.
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« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2011, 08:15:50 pm »

Anyone ever done an analysis of dbpoweramp v EAC? Is one supposed to be better than the other?
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« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2011, 08:50:33 pm »

Anyone ever done an analysis of dbpoweramp v EAC? Is one supposed to be better than the other?

Please see attached.

* Ripping software.pdf (169.29 KB - downloaded 636 times.)
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« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2011, 08:59:51 pm »

I am shocked. I have ripped all my CDs with EAC. Does this * remark means that all tracks of all ripping programs were bit identical or that the average speed was determined by the maximum speed where the program deliveres the same results as with 4x? In the first case I would wonder where the sound differences should come from...?
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« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2011, 09:36:00 pm »

I made a quick check and compared an EAC rip and an DB Poweramp rip with hexcompare. The files are identical except some zeros in the very end. Maybe it comes from different read into lead out setting. There can not be a sound difference.


* Vergleich DBPoweramp und EAC.jpg (422.41 KB, 941x826 - viewed 924 times.)
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« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2011, 09:44:41 pm »

Nah, I don't believe that 'report' at all.

I've been using EAC for years and years, and dBPoweramp for the last 2-3 years. Both use the 'Accuraterip' database to test the accuracy of the rip. Both rip at pretty much the same speed and produce identical results in total agreement with the Accuraterip database.

Oh, and they sound identical to me.

BUT... I use a 'true' plextor drive with the 'forced unit access' feature activated in both dBPoweramp and EAC. THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT!!!

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« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2011, 09:47:36 pm »

see the text to the table

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« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2011, 10:36:43 pm »

OK, so at least they admit that the results defy all logic - the files, irrespective of rip speed or ripping program, are bit-perfect, and yet still sound different to them - which I commend them for.

Now as us XX users all know, bit-perfect does not mean equal sound. Just change your SFS to verify this. BUT... this is at the playback stage, where loads of things seem to affect the sound. Two bit-identical files should sound identical when played back through XX. If they don't, then the only thing I can think of is that their location on the hard-drive matters. But I can't see how one ripping program could be consistenly better than another if this were indeed the mechanism that causes changes in the sound of bit-identical files.

I don't want to sound overly critical though because there's just so much that we don't understand right now. So the best thing is to probably try things yourself and see what you think. This is certainly what I do nowadays...

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« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2011, 11:23:02 pm »


BUT... I use a 'true' plextor drive with the 'forced unit access' feature activated in both dBPoweramp and EAC. THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT!!!
Mani.

Hey Mani!, what Plextor model would you recommend and where do I have to activate the "forced unit access"?
Could you explain why it is so important a little further?

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« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2011, 11:50:54 pm »

Hi guys I have to report I've just found a download only flac file converted to Wav by Db poweramp also has issue with stopping before song ends and starting at that point for next song. So can't blame CD ripping for this I suspect.

The man from db poweramp says this:It is more likely the cd has been mastered incorrectly, or you have a faulty drive which is reporting the toc incorrectly.
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« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2011, 01:28:48 am »

Further to the last report I've downloaded Foobar and low and behold the problem disappears so I've incorrectly blamed dbpoweramp when it in fact is a playback problem with either XXhighend or my computer setup. Any suggestions?
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« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2011, 04:43:56 am »

Lowering SFS to 50 has cured problem. Should I gradually increase SFS until this problem occurs then back of?
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