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« on: November 03, 2012, 10:12:16 am »

Hi Peter,

I recently cloned Win 7 from my music pc prior to the installation of a Win 8 upgrade. After a while, I reverted to Win 7 from that clone (it was done with this in mind), so the main drive was back at its prior state. 

After that, the music had interruptions at random, while the progress bar and time counter were still working. When I press STOP then PLAY, all works again. Until it cuts later. There was no "undemo" aside the Processor Core Appointment Scheme, and the Cover Art had its red border. Yet it seemd to behave as if the activation was kind of incomplete.

I started playing with the different options to check if it could correct that matter, but it didn’t. There are no error messages.

I had a backup from a fresh Win 7 SP1 installation (I use Acronis True Image 2012 Home edition by the way) with the intent of using my latest activation code for that pc.

I did this twice, before resolving myself to ask for a new activation. The first time, I tried to activate it after a short amount of time playing music. The second time, I played music for about an hour, then rebooted a few times during that period. My activation code was not working anymore.

So I asked for an activation again.

But about the restore from that cloned drive, I would have thought that a new activation was not needed ?

Alain
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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2012, 11:04:47 am »

Hey Alain,

First about the latter "restore" issue : This will be too vague for you and me to work out / resolve; too many things can have - and most probably will have been done by you after this. I mean, to get all in the state you wanted. Maybe not, but we can't work that out anyway.

But now your first (clone) operation ...

I am 100% sure things go odd with such a clone operation, but merely the cloning back. Re the latter, I mean when the clone was made when the OS concerned NOT running (so, when you clone the OS disk from the OS running from there, all becomes super vague and it will be completely to TrueImage to have that all right);

When I clone an OS disk (so, not from an OS running on it) and use that one to boot, things are NOT the same. This can be in all kind of areas like power management and for sure the reserved space for making Restore Points; this is always 0 then.

*Which* things change seem a kind of random to me. But also look at this, just as an example and derived from my own quest what actually can happen :

- Usually we clone a partition; not a disk. This means that exactly this "boot partition" (what is it ? 100MB or so ?) mat (or will ?) remain -ehm, may not be cloned at all;

- We already know that especially with Dual Boots the on boot can influence the other (most probably this is related to a common part for both which *has* to be there).

- When you make the clone, all kind of registrations are in the registry. Example : what drive letters your removable USB devices have. When you make the close with some USB disk attached and put that clone back when it is not there, things *have* to change. Notice that when the system is shut down all is registered and that this will be different from rebooting from another disk (no matter it's virtually the same). This can be because things changed in the mean time.
Do it's a complex thing anyway.

To be complete :

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After that, the music had interruptions at random, while the progress bar and time counter were still working.

This is nothing like not being activated. In that case XXHighEnd will disappear (assumed your time counter is from the GUI and not from the OSD). So, something just being not right as it can happen to anyone.


I could also have said : I don't know. But what I described above are my own observations. I always pay attention to everything, and I really see things change which shouldn't. So I'm only trying to find explanations for it.
Btw, I also use TrueImage Home 2012, but I don't think it is related to the means making the clone (unless it was from a "live" OS, as explained above).

Regards,
Peter


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« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2012, 12:07:59 pm »

Hey Alain,

First about the latter "restore" issue : This will be too vague for you and me to work out / resolve; too many things can have - and most probably will have been done by you after this. I mean, to get all in the state you wanted. Maybe not, but we can't work that out anyway.

But now your first (clone) operation ...

I am 100% sure things go odd with such a clone operation, but merely the cloning back. Re the latter, I mean when the clone was made when the OS concerned NOT running (so, when you clone the OS disk from the OS running from there, all becomes super vague and it will be completely to TrueImage to have that all right);

When I clone an OS disk (so, not from an OS running on it) and use that one to boot, things are NOT the same. This can be in all kind of areas like power management and for sure the reserved space for making Restore Points; this is always 0 then.

*Which* things change seem a kind of random to me. But also look at this, just as an example and derived from my own quest what actually can happen :

- Usually we clone a partition; not a disk. This means that exactly this "boot partition" (what is it ? 100MB or so ?) mat (or will ?) remain -ehm, may not be cloned at all;

- We already know that especially with Dual Boots the on boot can influence the other (most probably this is related to a common part for both which *has* to be there).

- When you make the clone, all kind of registrations are in the registry. Example : what drive letters your removable USB devices have. When you make the close with some USB disk attached and put that clone back when it is not there, things *have* to change. Notice that when the system is shut down all is registered and that this will be different from rebooting from another disk (no matter it's virtually the same). This can be because things changed in the mean time.
Do it's a complex thing anyway.

To be complete :

Quote
After that, the music had interruptions at random, while the progress bar and time counter were still working.

This is nothing like not being activated. In that case XXHighEnd will disappear (assumed your time counter is from the GUI and not from the OSD). So, something just being not right as it can happen to anyone.


I could also have said : I don't know. But what I described above are my own observations. I always pay attention to everything, and I really see things change which shouldn't. So I'm only trying to find explanations for it.
Btw, I also use TrueImage Home 2012, but I don't think it is related to the means making the clone (unless it was from a "live" OS, as explained above).

Regards,
Peter


Hi Peter,

I normally do not clone a drive. I did this as an exception because I was quite sure that I would run through problems with Win 8. I normally do a backup right after the plain OS install (and activated), so it saves some time if I have to restart from scratch. I have a bootable True Image USB stick (also on CD), so yes, Windows is offline. But I understand that "cloning" has its limits.

About the 100MB partition: yes, I take it also with the backup of the main partition.

Regards,

Alain
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