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« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2013, 05:43:51 am »

Hi Peter - I have tried different Q readings from around 10 to 20 but I still get the random stopping. I will try higher SFS say 20 to 30 but that is no good for me long term as it really does negatively impact SQ - SFS2 is where the magic SQ happens. But of course it will be useful to know if bigger SFS settings does indeed prevent the "stopping" problem.

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I had the similar problem with W7. Sound is gone, the slider of the time scale is still moving. Pressed the "Stop" and "Play" button again and it works until ........... .

I do believe that this behavoir is related to the tweaks.

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« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2013, 09:34:32 am »

Hi Joachim - for me XX stops playing part way through a track just as though I had pressed the stop button. And in Unattended XX stops and the UI comes back up.

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« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2013, 10:07:57 am »

Joachim's idea is a good one. I didn't think about it, while I'm even constantly "dealing" with that and find a good balance for it myself (hey, with that stopping). So Paul, press Reset in XTweaks and see whether that changes things. If so, you'll know where to be (the Balanced Load parameter being the most important one).

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« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2013, 02:13:47 pm »

Hi Peter,

Since I came back in Normal OS mode, with reduced SFS (60), playing between 5 and 15ms, with 4096 Device buffer size, I have been experiencing intermittent stops. The sound goes away, then comes back (no hiccups, but it simply mutes for a few seconds). At some point, it muted but did not come back.

All this is in Attended mode.

I have been reducing the Q1 slider but it was hopping. Then I reduced the Buffer to 1024 and increased the Q1 to 20... It seems to behave more regularly... The 2-3 stops that I had for the 3 inline songs (averaging between 3-5 minutes) did not occur.

But this has to be taken with some precautions, since I still have my 24/192 dac, plus a USB > SPDIF converter...

I have yet to experiment more...

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« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2013, 02:20:03 pm »

reading through this thread I'm convinced the x-tweaks are the cause of this stopping problem and not SFS. When I first installed W8 every track stopped half way through, even with a SFS of 430. And the stopping was as Paul described: music would stop, the gui would reappear and the "Stop" button would be highlighted. After I tried Mani's suggested W8 settings, which caused me to change X-tweak settings and hit the reset button, the problem appears to have gone away. However I expect that music will stop once in a while, which is what happens with W7 ever since x-tweaks were applied. With W7 I experience music stopping maybe once or twice a week--not very often for sure.
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« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2013, 02:39:44 pm »

It is quite possible that the Xtweaks are to be pointed for some stops, but as of now, I haven't used them yet... Yet I did experience these stops.

On my side, after experimenting a little, it seems that the Device Buffer Size has to be reduced to put an end to those stops...

As for the Q1 adjustments, while I was able to play music at reduces Q1 adjustments (= 3 for instance), now it has trouble working at = 6, but I guess that the reduced Device Buffer Size interaction with this can explain it.

I also tried Q1 = 30, Device Buffer Size = 1024 and it works fine. But at 4096 there will be stops... (for me).

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EDIT: I should have written "MUTE" instead of "STOP", since it was coming back after a few seconds...
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« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2013, 02:41:08 pm »

Alain,

In Normal OS Mode the whole OS will be relatively slow and sluggish. This really makes a difference. Notice that it will be Phase Alignment which implies the stopping. Without that it will play, but with small silences (if you leave all settings the same). But it really is that your PC somewhere can't cope now ...

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« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2013, 02:50:31 pm »

Alain,

In Normal OS Mode the whole OS will be relatively slow and sluggish. This really makes a difference. Notice that it will be Phase Alignment which implies the stopping. Without that it will play, but with small silences (if you leave all settings the same). But it really is that your PC somewhere can't cope now ...

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Peter,

I don't use PA...

While I understand what you mean (more processes active in NORMAL OS), these stops were also occuring in MINIMIZE OS, but less frequently. I was using an SFS of 430 then. And the behavior was different, since then it was stopping instead of simply muting...

What I like to do when something like this happens is to use the minimal adjustements as possible just to see how it behaves (I am not talking about the SQ of course). So for the moment, no PA, nor Xtweaks (we can't use Xtweaks anyway in NORMAL OS mode).

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« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2013, 03:06:12 pm »

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EDIT: I should have written "MUTE" instead of "STOP", since it was coming back after a few seconds...

Seems like the stops Alain describes are different from what Paul and I experience.
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« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2013, 03:09:45 pm »

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EDIT: I should have written "MUTE" instead of "STOP", since it was coming back after a few seconds...

Seems like the stops Alain describes are different from what Paul and I experience.
Yes, that's what I think too. In my case, it seems more related to a bad Device Size Buffer adjustment...

I tried Q1 = 48 with a Q1x of 3, plus a Device Size Buffer of 256... It's the first time I do this... The first time it works too, without any message...

Now I will test with MINIMIZE OS just to see the difference in behavior...

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« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2013, 04:06:27 pm »

I am actually in MINIMIZE OS...

I can have the music play at Q1 = 30, Q1x at 5 and Device Buffer Size at 64... But to be on the safe side, a Device Buffer Size of 128 or 256 would be a minimum (for me)...

I never did that kind of testing in W7, I always adjusted my Device Buffer Size at 4096, played with Q1 between 6 and 30, and leaving Q1x at 1...

Maybe it was time for me to try different adjustements... ? But no STOP yet with the Device Buffer Size much lower than I would have expected...

Is it possible that Windows 8 Audio has such a different architecture that it explains how I can have these results ?

But I repeat: no STOP yet. My SFS is at 60 and I have tried unattended. This of course, with my dac. It could be different for the NOS1 and the latency adjustements that it allows ?

The more I reduce the SFS, the more I have to increase the Device Buffer Size.

I have yet to understand where the Q1 goes in... I can understand that Q1 (and Q1x) helps reduce the Device Buffer Size, but the SFS also has its importance with the Device Buffer Size...

But definitely, in MINIMIZE OS, unattended, all works fine - at least with 3 average songs that were muting while in NORMAL OS mode, attended, with my "usual" adjustments (Q1 = 14, Device Buffer Size = 4096 - sometimes at 3072, SFS = 430).

For me finally, increasing the Q1 and Q1x, reducing the Device Buffer Size has put an end to these MUTES and/or STOPS...

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PS: Now I am trying the same with an SFS = 2 with a 23 minutes song...
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« Reply #26 on: February 03, 2013, 04:39:00 pm »

Well, up to now, no more MUTE nor STOP, even at SFS 2, Q1 = 30, Q1x = 3 (could be at 2, even at 1), Device Buffer Size = 512, unattended and MINIMIZE OS.

While requiring to increase the Q1 (at least), the Device Buffer Size seems to be sensitive about these STOPs...

I obviously can't say that there will not be STOPs anymore, but to say the least, they have reduced a lot.

Hope this helps Happy

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« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2013, 12:28:13 am »

Same problem here. The music stops somewhere between 3 and 15 or 16 minutes.

The message is:

Obtain Audio Device

Audio Device could not be determined


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XXEngine3.exe has stopped working...


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« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2013, 01:14:44 am »

Disengaging iPhase - (minus) but with Allow Phase Alignment On made the Mahler´s 8 Symphony that before had stops now sound from the beginning to the end with no stops. I´ll repeat it tomorrow with other albums to see what happens.

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Configuration and Updates in HOW I'VE BUILT MY NEW PC...http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=1673.0. This post is very old but maybe someone still find it useful

XXHighEnd: 2.11a. Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 14393.0 from RAM, music on LAN/ KS:Phasure NOS1 Out 4.0/ #4 Engine/ Adaptive Mode/ Q1=10, Q3,4,5=1, xQ1=15/ Dev.Buffer: 4096/ ClockRes: 15ms/ Straight Contiguous/ SFS: 0.69 (max 0,69)/ Not Invert/ Phase Alignment Off/ Allow format change/ Decode HDCD/ Playerprio: Low/ ThreadPrio: Real Time/ Scheme: Core 3-5/ UnAttended/ Not Switch during Playback Off/ Playback Drive none/ UnAttended/ Include Garbage Collect/ Copy to XX Drive by standard/ Always clear Proxy before Playback/ Stop Desktop Services/ Stop Remaining Services/ Stop All Services: Off/ Keep LAN Services: On - Persist: Off/ Use Remote Desktop/ Minimize OS/ XTweaks : Balanced Load 35/ Nervous Rate 10/ Cool when Idle -/ Provide Stable Power 0/ Utilize Cores always 1/ Time Performance Index: Optimal / Time Stability: Stable / Arc Prediction/ Number of cores in use: 12 (máx. 6-12)

Music Server PC (W10) totally silent with OS (W10) in SSD and music inside in SSDs - RDC > Ethernet Gigabyte cable 3m > Audio Pc > 1m USB Lush cable directly from the USB3.0 in the motherboard > PHASURE NOS1a-75B-G3 (Driver v1.0.4) 16ms > Blaxius BNC interconnects > Genelec 1037B 3-Way Active speakers with BNC inputs
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« Reply #29 on: February 06, 2013, 10:00:38 am »

Not sure if this has anything to do with your problem of stopping but here I have that when I change settings. I was experimenting with my playback drive (different ports, different drives) and one change made XX stop here too.

Sometimes after just a few seconds, sometimes after 3 minutes but never ending the first track. Cleared "C" and cleared XX from memory did not change anything, the only remedy was to reboot and only then things continu to play.

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Februari 1st: RDC controlled i7-4785T (set to 800Mhz - fully passive design without any moving parts), 16GB RAM / XXHighEnd 2.04c on 2GB RAMDisk (IMDisk) / Windows 10 Pro 10586.0 X64 on internal 250GB SSD / Music on external NAS / Playback Drive 10GB RAMDisk (IMDisk) / SFS 0.10 / Barbone Industrial Intona > Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) > Blaxius BNC interlink > BD-Design BD30-SPR amplifiers > BD-Design Custom Made Sigma loudspeakers.

XX settings basically similar to PeterSt's
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