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« on: November 19, 2007, 10:55:08 pm »

Hi,

After a small week of listening to 0.9s (Vista/#3), and actually being satisfied by the relative difference, there was a thing that kept on attacking me : sibilance in the higher regions.
I think astacus21 pointed it out here : http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=272.msg1722#msg1722, he of course not knowing that I recognized it. So yes, if it looked like one thing, it was uncomfortable jitter ...

My settings WERE : Unattended Playback, PlayerPrio Low, ThreadPrio RealTime, Processor Core Appointment Scheme-1 (all as advised as per the Release Notes on 0.9s-0), and Q1=14, Invert).

Let's say that 30% of albums I listened to were the most satisfactory, but of 70% I did not know ...
For that 70% there was a discomfort, varying indeed from sibilance to too much dynamics. The latter will be unknown to you, but it expresses as your wife telling you to put down the volume, while it wasn't that low ever, just because you yourself already turned it down. Discomfort ... hard to explain why.
Already yesterday I tried Processor Appointment Scheme-2, my feeling telling me the P.A. was to blame somehow (no logic !). It did not help.
Well, today I was explicitly testing albums (tracks) for it, and it was not difficult to find that Scheme-3 is the way to go ! (I did not try 4 yet).

So, with other settings unchanged (see above), I only changed the P.A. Scheme to 3, and for many hours - the volume 3-5 dB louder opposed to the past week - not only me, but also my wife did not complain. Furthermore, I sensed rather explicitly that the sibilance had gone. In fact, nothing to complain, and all of the other benefits remained. Great great great.

Please note, that to my own findings (yesterday), things get over the hill at playing MP3's if this is not right. Highs sibilance get over expressed in a way I did not know from the (relatively short) experience I have from XXHighEnd playing MP3's. I was very much disappointed, because playing MP3's (at the higher bitrates) turned out to be so well. So very much unexpectedly well. But not anymore ... With Scheme-3 all was good again tonight.

Experiences so far tell that what counts for one, count for others as well. So please try it.


One more note : Do not get fooled by crazily smooth recordings, them being not so smooth before 0.9s;
It occurred to me that smoothness gets overexpressed now, just as well as things being more harsh get overexpressed (in a good way). Mind you, smoothnes of before got grainy, whereas more harsh intended got less fresh (in fact all got more smeared). So both are good now. But try to look through what was intended. It is really not difficult once being in the stage of listening to live instruments. But beware : when something even smells like being a flair (putting its signature to all music), then for sure it's wrong.
With A.P. Scheme-1 this was so. According to me.

Peter


Edit : As it appears now, "Scheme-3" is mentioned twice in the combobox for Processor Core Appointment Scheme (thank you Gerard !). Choosing the second will select Scheme-4 anyway.
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« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2007, 11:09:04 pm »


The latter will be unknown to you, but it expresses as your wife telling you to put down the volume, while it wasn't that low ever, just because you yourself already turned it down.

Peter


Reading this a big smile came up.... Peter isn't it possible that you can do some programming to our "wife"?
You fixst a lot already....  Grin

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« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2007, 11:44:08 pm »

rofl Maybe you don't know half of what good playback can do to a woman;

Actually my wife isn't so much interested in music at all. But she is a measuring device ...
When the sound does not work out, she is talking about stupid noise (tering herrie), and it does not matter what song is playing. If it worked out the week before, I can tell what I want "but last week you liked it so much ?!", the mood gets bad and stays like that until the next day. smirk
So last week I had a lot of time to work on XX, hahahaha.

Not so tonight (and I can feel that myself) : the volume goes from a quarter-to to 12, and there goes Enigma (the worse for MP3), Little Feet, Led Zeppelin, and Boudewijn de Groot plus Mark Knopfler as a bonus. Not tyering and just working out as intended.
Women are great if you listen to them sometimes.

Have to go now. grazy
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« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2007, 11:51:52 pm »

 rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl LOL..............................
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« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2007, 01:46:56 am »

rofl Maybe you don't know half of what good playback can do to a woman;

Actually my wife isn't so much interested in music at all. But she is a measuring device ...

I have to agree 100% with this analysis.
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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2007, 03:30:36 am »

Oh yes,

And this leads me to an idea of jitter therapy, or jitter weapon, like tear gas for example Happy

If we can't eliminate jitter let's try to control it or create our own jitter with given charcteristics. What's XX is actually is all about.

And we can use it to influence people. We could start with wives for starters and play with their moods as we like. Happy
Ok I am being mean, sorry.

But I think in some tv channels they already use this technics of DSPing sound to create a certain mood of the channel's auditory.
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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2007, 03:34:26 am »

rofl Maybe you don't know half of what good playback can do to a woman;

Actually my wife isn't so much interested in music at all. But she is a measuring device ...

I have to agree 100% with this analysis.


How the hell did WE end up with wives like this?! My wife hasn't bought a new CD in over 10 years. She just listens to whatever I buy for her, or whatever I'm listening to. There's only one band she refuses to listen to  - and that's Skinny Puppy. But that's OK. When I listen to Skinny Puppy I like to be alone. Cool

As far as listening tests - she'll concede once in awhile, very reluctantly, and then just proclaim she can't hear a difference. But I need her ears! She has much better hearing than I do in the high frequencies.
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« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2007, 07:41:14 pm »

Hiyall, long time no see.

Well, been busy with daughter & work & putting together useless album art (grr better sounding unattended mode grr).  But after about 5 hours of listening to 0.9S-1 I'm convinced this is the best sounding player for me yet... which I'm always fairly amazed at having raved in the past about D & PD.  For me, my soundstage took leaps to the sides and front and back (much more holographic), great focus With meat on the bones music, extended highs/air, and the great bass I loved in D (I love my subwoofers) hitting me just right.  Thanksgiving here and no traveling to do so I'll have time to listen.  And this great sound comes from my lowly laptop single core listed below... :/ , so what am I missing by not having a speedier computer with multi core cpu? ... it tugs, but I'm holding off on the upgrades until ver 1.0 or XXHE makes me.  I've not varied from PeterSt settings (no time), except for the processor core appointments, which I guess are useless to me.  I've been playing unattended from the get-go, I should try it without,,,, so I can look at my album cover haha.
[I think I have that bug that's reported about playlist not deleting with clear... I'll post in that thread after trying stuff.]
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« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2007, 08:11:22 pm »

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Well, been busy with daughter & work & putting together useless album art

No no no ... a next version will solve that ! whistle
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A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).

For a general PC :
W10-10586.0 - May 2016 (2.05+)
*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10  (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
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