SQ of W10 build 10586

[PeterSt]

Its preferable we all use same version in case version 10586.? makes sound worst.

Colin, what you say there is what I intended to say, but I don't know how to say it or cause it (not) happening. In this 10586 very case though I don't even know what to say about it, because the one person who expressed he was not satisfied (and who was the only one trialling 10586 in a premature fashion anyway ... put on his safety helmet and proceeded with a next "upgrade" without even expressing (and testing ?) 10586 in the environment it's meant to be (XXHE 2.03).

What about out of control ?
(but I blame MS, not Joachim !)

Colin, do you by chance have a verdict already ? (2.03 in MinOS)

Also, do you recognize that I downloaded the same version as you (behind your just again given link) ?
I'm asking because I did not trust that 10586.3 from the start, with the hint that Joachim just receved that via Windows Update. I still think he did (Joachim ??).
IOW, do I also have 10586(.0) then ? (please see schreen shot below, first file)

Something else : What does your XXHighEnd Playlist Area show when it is cleared ?
(this is about my own detection about what OS it is and if itnow suddenly shows 1511 or something I can to start to dig out *that*).

What a mess ...

Thank you Colin !
Peter

[christoffe]

And Joachim ... More happy now ?



But since you did this anyway, does it still show as an RTM version ? I mean, is the "Insider Preview" text not there (bottom right corner) ?

Peter

Hi,

all programs I'm using are working without any problems on the PC with 10586.11. In the lower right corner no info about the release is shown.  (with "winver" release 10586.11 ...)

On the audio PC (laptop) with two SSD's releases 10240 + 10565 (preview) are installed. Infos are shown in the lower ..... each.

("winver" for 10565 shows "evaluation version valid until 2016.07.16")

Conclusion: 10586.11 is official

Joachim

[coliny]

Hi Peter

I've not installed 2.03 yet, it will be a few days before I can comment on SQ.

In XXHE it just says W10.

Boot in safe mode it will show 10586 so value must be stored somewhere.

Also check for installed updates, if there are some I guess that means its 10586.? Maybe they can be uninstalled.

Colin

[coliny]

winver returns:- version 1511 build 10586.0

[PeterSt]

Thank you Colin.

2.02 (and earlier) does not show the build number.

Peter

[PeterSt]

Conclusion: 10586.11 is official

Thank you Joachim.
Sadly 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11 are all official (must be the real conclusion). Or maybe not sadly.
Wait for the day that someone says that .7 sounds superb.

What does your 2.03 show in the Playlist Area when cleared ?

Peter

[christoffe]

Conclusion: 10586.11 is official

What does your 2.03 show in the Playlist Area when cleared ?

Hi,

2.03 is installed under 10240 + 10565 preview only (not connected with the internet)

Joachim

[coliny]

My initial assesment of sound quality with W10_10586.0/XX2.03 is that it is excellent and just as good as W10074/XX2.02.

I do recommend to install 10586 without updates just in case further updates affect SQ. To do this create iso from here:- http://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/9230-windows-10-iso-download.html

Disconnect from internet during install

When installed re connect install media and run the attached program to install Net3.5 offline.

Now you can install XX and stop Windows Updates before connecting to internet

Edit PeterSt :
Always use Save As on the DISM link below or otherwise the program will be executed right away (quite harmless but sure not intentional).
Btw its content is the same as what's described here : Windows 8/10 Tutorials - Install .Net 3.5.

[PeterSt]

Hi Colin, thank you for this.

Can you do us all a favor :

Find the direct link you'll eventually end up (and which you ended up yourself) and post *that* one instead of this general TenForums page which will change the link unnoticed when there's a newer ISO about.

You know that -with some effort- I did the same a week ago (according your same instructions) BUT I don't know whether I ended up with the same file you ran into (I don'd think you responded to the screenshots of my file either : Re: SQ of W10 build 10586.

Might you not understand what I mean : that TenForums page is from July 2015. Via via it links to a general MS page which changes the direct link (again without notice). And God knows that by now it may link to 10586.26 etc.
Get my idea ?

Again, thanks !
Peter

PS: I forgot myself where my direct link from a week was posted, but we could use that one (read : I can find it, if you can confirm that my file is the same as yours - see screenshot of it).

[coliny]

Hi Peter

Your download link was same as mine.

This is link direct to Microsoft TechBench download

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/techbench

Of course this like might go to a later version at any time. Use Winver to confirm after install.

Colin

[PeterSt]

Of course this like might go to a later version at any time. Use Winver to confirm after install.

Yea, and it is getting worse and worse and worse.
So that is *not* a direct link. But you know what ? Read :

Re: W10 Version 1511 (Build 10586.3) installed

I called that a direct link. But it G-D isn't either !
I looked in my Browser's history (Chrome) but that too comes up with this place holder only.

It is time to jump from a bridge; look below - that is coming from the (your) link today. File name is different at least and file size also looks different (smaller - but I can only know when I have downloaded it in full).

I now sure have saved the direct link to this one. However : FWIW because we don't know the SQ yet. And you know, I won't be installing both to compare (hey, that would be 22 hours).

So Colin, I tend to trust your judgement as of now. But we don't have a link to that file/version from a 8 days ago. We both do have the file itself though ...
(and I don't have sufficient upload speed (yet) to even upload it once to anywhere).


Peter

PS: For anyone's even more confusion, here is the direct link to the one I am downloading myself right now (am I going to do something with it ??) :
http://software-download.microsoft.com/pr/Win10_N_English_x64.iso?t=9113d400-d653-40d0-a543-22c6357206e3&e=1448189633&h=c898794f926df938cf6868109144f012
This is the same as Colin's last link TODAY. No wait, 30 minutes ago.

[christoffe]

In this 10586 very case though I don't even know what to say about it, because the one person who expressed he was not satisfied (and who was the only one trialling 10586 in a premature fashion anyway ... put on his safety helmet and proceeded with a next "upgrade" without even expressing (and testing ?) 10586 in the environment it's meant to be (XXHE 2.03).

Hi Peter,

I missed your post, and I'm not the only one. http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=3371.msg36395#msg36395

I'm testing the releases under same conditions always. There is a track with voices and percussions from David Crosby - Time I have.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00HV1JYJE/ref=dm_ws_tlw_trk2

The timbre (with XXH 2.02/10240) of David Crosby's voice sounds beautiful and there is an amazing reverberation of a percussion instrument in the beginning of the track. With 10240 it sounds great, with 10586 it sounds dead and with 10565 the SQ improved and but was nonmusical.

With XXH 2.03 under 10565 timbre and reverberation improved, but not as nice as with 10240 (maybe there is a little bit too much of smearing). I wrote before, the loudness/amplification of the drums are very realistic under 10240, but with the other W10 releases not. We are going to a jazz club tonight and i will listen to the "loudness balance" of the instruments. (I wrote a note about the "loudness balance" after a Ron Carter concert)

On the working PC I got release 10586.11 via the automatic update. A week before I downloaded 10586.3 as an iso file for the "working" and "audio" PC.
We might start with a 10586 test again. Release no??

Joachim

[PeterSt]

As always, thank you Joachim.

The link to Diede's post wasn't about 2.03 (hence not MinOS).

I guess it becomes super crucial that everybody mentions exactly what the conditions were for the judgement concerned.

By now (since yesterday ) I also understand that you upgraded to 10586.11 all right, but that this is not Audio (PC) related. So here too, please be more explicit about such things, which will avoid me making posts about more crash helmets (haha).

Anyway I am going to install a 10586 today (which one it is I'll have to see afterwards), and then we'll have to see about its SQ.

About 10240 and actually all :
In my opinion it is very very tricky all because we tend to like a bit of smear better than the high-accuracy. Still we should not be satisfied with that because it is a FLAVOR. This is how I am not able to survive such an OS a couple of weeks. I start to be annoyed. But to remember :
This smear seems fake to me by now and I say it again : if hardware changes are able to take that away (like the LPSU example) then it will be VERY difficult to have consensus over anything. I mean - our hardware will never be the same, no matter you and me have an NOS1a (and you not having the B75 Upgrade AFAIK).

Judgements should be expressed more carefully than ever before (I feel this is all new to us, including not being able to agree easily).

Thanks,
Peter

[BertD]

Anyway I am going to install a 10586 today (which one it is I'll have to see afterwards), and then we'll have to see about its SQ.

I can upload a copy through Wtransfer (the one I've downloaded 8 days ago) if anyone is interested?

Windows10_InsiderPreview_x64_EN-GB_10565.iso

EDIT: Oeps... only up to 2GB..

Bert

[PeterSt]

Hi Bert ... super !
But please ... don't.

It is of no use to wildly put those ISO's up for download while there's not even one judgement on it.

And ehm ... your file name shows 10565 while we talk about 10586 here.
Notice that 10565 is safely preserved at this moment. Here :
Getting the W10 build 10565.

It looks like this is all getting to us ?


Peter