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« on: May 29, 2009, 08:32:50 pm »

It is recomendet to not have the music files on the OS harddisk. Can i have the music files just as a backup there?
 
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« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2009, 08:16:50 am »

Actually, I don't see why not. But it is a kind of "new" and I might be forgetting something.

It is not a solution that will do for infinit future though, because at one time you may have more music data than what fits on the OS disk, and you will need another disk anyway.

Also, you will be asking for some trouble when the OS is replaced with a new one (so not upgrade, but just new). In that case you will loose the backup data, or it must be on a separate partition.

One important remark I think : as you say, it is not recommened to have the music files on the OS disk, which is because you may loose them more easily (so, same accounts for the backup file). However, it is recommended in general (for XXHighEnd anyway) to have the music files on the OS disks for playing them. The main reason is that the OS disk will spin anyway, and it allows other disks to spin down. However, in practice music files are not stored on the OS disk, but they can be copied to there in advance of playback (this is the Copy to XX Drive parameter).
When the OS disk is an SSD, this is even more important.

With the latter I hope not to confuse you, but to explain/interpret the "recommendations" better.

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« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2009, 12:47:45 pm »

Are the files copied to the hard disc for playback automatically deleted when xx is turned off? (I've always wanted to ask this question;Ive never ticked the copy to xx parameter......)
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« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2009, 03:59:57 pm »

Just tick  "copy to xx drive by standard" and  play music,

then open your xx folder and see what happens.
file wil be deleted from xx drive after playback.
Just like a jukebox its loads a single.
But in unattended all files of an album will be loaded, why? because pc can shutdown HDD's.
Makes computer less noisy, result better sounding music.

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« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2009, 05:59:23 pm »

I belived that the music files had to stay on a external harddisk because of the sound.
I have all my music on a external harddisk, is it OK then to put it on the OS harddisk?  (and use the external harddisk as a backup)

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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2009, 08:11:02 pm »

I belived that the music files had to stay on a external harddisk because of the sound.
I have all my music on a external harddisk, is it OK then to put it on the OS harddisk?  (and use the external harddisk as a backup)

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It 'shouldn't" matter anymore with the way xxhe does things (putting music in ram before playing...), but I'd be a bit worried about affecting XXHE player/eng (even affecting smooth OS operation? hehe naw, but... hehe) with stuffing too much on the OS/XXHE disc ... dunno why though hehe fragmenting? reaching the main HDD capcity limit and causing problems there? VOODOO?  I'd just have OS and XXHE on the main drive, music files on external drives via firewire (all usb off), and back up on HDDs that I pull in/out of the computer as I rip/backup myself. I tick 'Copy to XX Drive' and music is then copied to OS/XXHE Solid State Drive temporarily and then auto erased by XXHE, and then I play unattended.
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« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2009, 08:22:46 pm »

I Dont think that you really understand, Tore: Wink

Music will stay on external (seperate) HDD.
When "copy to xx drive by standard" is ticked, xxhe will automaticly copy the files to your C: drive in the XX folder (when you start playback) (does this standard with FLAC)
You don't even notice it, it takes just 1-2 sec for a song

Just read the tooltip on that function. (tick tooltips and go with mouse to that function)

The meaning of this is that when playing unattended, a whole album is copied to the C: drive and xx doesn't need data from that drive anymore.
So Vista shuts down that drive so lesser electric interferance/distortion (better for SQ).

Btw Peter or someone else were are those settings for shutdown HDD (standard I believe 20min) - Some power settings cant find them!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2009, 08:36:51 pm »

but don't make it to difficult Tore,

your situation is good as it is,
Leave your files on seperate disc, really its best
xx does the rest

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« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2009, 01:11:39 am »

Thanks for such a thorough explanation Roy.
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« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2009, 07:39:57 am »

Roy, Control Panel, Power options, Change Plan Settings of the active scheme (or one of the others, once you are able to switch schemes and want to that).

Then Change Advanced Power Settings on the second screenshot below.
The rest is clear I think.


Keep in mind the downside too : When your music is spread over several disks, and from the Gallery (always residing on the OS disk) 4 albums are loaded, they could coincidentally come from 4 different other disks, all sleeping. The subsequent (!!) wakeup may take over a minute ...


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« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2009, 07:52:15 am »

goodmorning,

couldn't find them that quickly yesterday,

Thought it was a good add to the subject.

Thnx

PS: Music on serveral hdd's, seems that you have a luxury problem. tongue2
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« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2009, 03:23:11 pm »

One more question here, just for understanding. If files are copied to and played out of memory, isn't it redundant to tick "copy to XX by standard?" Obviously, I don't know much of how any of this works....... Happy
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« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2009, 07:34:23 pm »

One more question here, just for understanding. If files are copied to and played out of memory, isn't it redundant to tick "copy to XX by standard?" Obviously, I don't know much of how any of this works....... Happy

ya, you would think so.  This is a "nobody really gets the voodoo going on here thing" ... but some have found, that if you first copy to the SSD/main drive and then it loads in memory ...sigh.... it sounds better? go figure.

or maybe, by copying, it doesn't have to keep waking up your external hdd to get individual files? was that it?
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« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2009, 07:57:46 pm »

Luckily nobody *has* to believe in voodoo here. But for those who do ... SeVeReD is correct. Somehow it seems to matter.

But don't make yourself crazy. Use it when you want, or don't when you are not comfortable with it. Happy

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« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2009, 01:20:36 pm »

Hello all,
Having more than 1 (external) disk where my music is stored, what would be the best way to see all my albums in the XXHE Library? There is room for just 1 Music Root. How do you guys cope with that?
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