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13336  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: 0.9x-3 -- minor bugs on: March 29, 2009, 05:10:55 pm
This is now solved in the next version (0.9x-6).

Btw it is the same bug as was reported here : ShowCoverart error message about ImageSize.Height by Eric.
13337  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: Playlists? on: March 29, 2009, 03:47:32 pm
Thanks for the answers on the Format Change.

And ... hahaha, no, XXHighEnd isn't closing, it never starts again at Pause. So, Pause (Alt-p) for pause, and Play (alt-P) for Play.
Only with the latter involved it gets more logical I think. Well, I hope.
13338  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: Playlists? on: March 29, 2009, 02:09:50 pm
That should not happen;

Do you have "Allow Format Change" ticked (Settings Area) ?
When not, a message "Format Change is not allowed" should appear, and when it is ticked it should just go.

Can you please tell me what happens in either case ?

And is this at Attended or Unattended ? (I can imagine that I never tested it for Attended ...)
13339  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: DAT files? on: March 29, 2009, 08:58:51 am
Ol, let's try ...

First off, an album would copy in 7-8 seconds, assumed optimal speed (which would be (e)SATAII). Converting from FLAC does not take all that longer.
Creating 1000s of those dat files ... a few seconds at most.

There are many reasons complete files will need a copy, and some are beyond what you'll expect. One of them will be the Unicode thing (diacritical marks etc.), so if they are in the path or file name, a copy already takes place. Another is one type of header format (IIRC WMP can create that), and the whole file needs to be recreated in order to play well.
Whichever reason there is, if the file is copied, converted or recreated, it will turn into a "UnicodeTrack" file. They too show up in the XX folder, but are hidden.
If it takes tens of minutes to let XXHighEnd finish the preparations concerned, you must assume that at least many files will be copied etc. But you can check it, by looking for those UnicodeTrack files (UnicodeTrack0001.wav, UnicodeTrack0002.wav, etc.).

A next subject might be why to load so many tracks in the Playlist in the first place;

Well, you might say "because I have saved Playlists that contain so many". So yes, a good reason. But now you must be careful with the further approach, which is just subject to the good sound thing, and the preparation and time that takes. This a.o. means that those conversions should not take place during playback, and indeed when those preparations are going on, SQ should be less. This is what the checkbox (Start playback during conversion) is for. You could untick it for better SQ in the beginning.

All implies that one should just not hand a 1000 etc. tracks for playack, also "knowing" that usually these files must be converted, assuming that we all store the files in a compressed format (FLAC). Not necessarily of course, but I must assume it, because you just might (and I myself do to btw). This implies for myself :

I never use saved Playlists. Note that the saved Playlists where there right from the start, and later the Galleries emerged;
A Gallery does just the same, but in a more convenient way, and it resides at a, say, higher level. You can randomize them, pick albums (or tracks, whatever you saved in them) by means of coverart, use them for physically copy (or convert from - to) and much more. Also, they challenge you more to play some kind of selection from it.

The latter is important when you use the saved Playlists anyway. So, they are there, and they are there to be used of course, but, they tend to be large(r), and there you have the perceived problem. However, in the Playlist area you can select too. This is just a matter of windows ctrl-click etc. Thus, when you have this 1000 (or more) tracks in there, just don't play them all. Select the first 100 or whatever you think is suitable for the session and press Play. Or a second batch of 100, or the last etc.

Now you will see where the Gallery is more convenient. I mean, you can select tracks in the Playlist Area, but you can't see what you're actually doing. In a Gallery you can, because you will be selecting by means of coverart. And note that if 1000 individual tracks from different albums are in a Gallery, they all carry the original coverart.

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Now, I have no clue why XX needs all those small pesky dat files but I assume you have a good reason for it so np:  I _could_ live with that provided it's done only once but it seems that even if I 'save' playlist and then exit XX it will delete all dat files and the re-create them next time I play that same list?

So yes, those dat files are recreated always. Even when you higher the volume by means of Alt-u during Unattended Playback, they are. But trust me, this is not what takes the time, and it will go unnoticed, even with a 1000 of them. It will be the UnicodeTrack files that bother you. However ...
*Those* files are not recreated at all. This is a rather complex mechanism, and although you might see their names change at changing volume or press Next (Alt-n), they are not recreated as long as you go down the list. So for example, press Prev, and all indeed has to be recreated.

The dat files contain the information for XXEngine3 to work with. If you change the volume or whatever it is, it is in there, and XXEngine3 takes that information for playback. So again the example : change the volume, and the volume data in the dat files will be changed for all the remaining dat files to play.

All that data indeed could be in one file, but then the problem (of resources needed) would be bigger. For each track to play the right spot has to be found in those files, and instead of picking the right file by ID, the file with tens of thousand of records has to be scanned. And no, this is not a sequential process because of the things you might do and change during playback (I don't think it is necessary to explain that, but trust me on it).
The most important is and remains : maintaining those dat files does not take the time. Unless something is wrong in your system of course, and I think it can. If you look at the latest posts around JohanZ you'll see it can.

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Wouldn't it also be better if dat files would respect XX setting for 'Data folder' instead of being created in same folder where XX exe is?

Yes, but merely for "IT" reasons. And for those who try to follow what's happening of course, and made the hidden files visible. Happy
In the beginning I did not anticipate on this (and the Data folder wasn't there yet), and right now many things have to be changed in the code to let it work. The decision to have those files just in the middle of the install was explicit, but wrong (as how I look at it now).

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And wouldn't it be better if dat files would not have to be created every time but rather saved together with playlist?

As said, they contain real time data (like volume), so no. But again, they shouldn't bother.

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I realize this only applies to WAV files as other types need converting but since XX only wants WAV in the end anyway, then at least I am OK with creating a separate folder where all music has already been converted from FLAC etc to WAV - it sure is extra work and it would be nice if XX would respect that and start playing with minimum of fuss Happy

I understand what you mean, but if this requires your own control, this is not what you want. In the very beginning I had to work like this myself, and you'll get crazy of it.
Thinking of the "Copy to XX-Drive" feature, indeed there is a possibility to keep those files like a kind of cache. However, besides it will take time to create it and I don't want to put the priorities to that right now, it occurs to me this just isn't necessary. However, this takes the experience mostly related to the beginning of this post. So it can be done, it will be beneficial to some, but it won't be in soon anyway.

Well, I hope this gives you some insight. Don't hesitate to ask or suggest more.
Peter
13340  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: DAT files? on: March 28, 2009, 10:41:08 pm
I will come back on this tomorrow, with hopefully some reasonable explanations. But the questions are good ...
13341  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: ChangeWP errors on: March 28, 2009, 10:37:42 pm
Thank you for all the kind words Josef ... Appreciate it.

The least I learned from this is that I can check for that Registry entry to be 0 ... (or to be non-existent I think, will work that out).

It is indeed great that we can work this out together with a dose of non-ignorance.
wub
Peter
13342  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: CD's won't play ? on: March 28, 2009, 07:39:22 pm
And read your email ! innocent
13343  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: CD's won't play ? on: March 28, 2009, 07:15:12 pm
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you have to switch them to 0

But I wonder how that works for existing files. And *if* it works ...
13344  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: ChangeWP errors on: March 28, 2009, 07:13:19 pm
I'll see if method described on http://support.microsoft.com/kb/Q121007 works to undo the change....

Uhmm ... I guess not. That is for DISabling it. yes
13345  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: ChangeWP errors on: March 28, 2009, 06:55:55 pm
But how can it be that the older XX version worked ??
13346  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: CD's won't play ? on: March 28, 2009, 06:50:01 pm
This must be that short name problem again. So, even with the Wall Paper shut off, the path to them are stored by means of their Short Name. This by itself is only needed for the  "Copy to XX-Drive" feature, but it is needed anyway now. Sorry ...

If you could test and switch on those Short Names ...
Do you have any reason to shut them off ? (I'll listen Happy)
13347  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: ChangeWP errors on: March 28, 2009, 06:46:29 pm
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But Peter, really, why is XX using those? Days of 16-bit applications are long gone and XX is 32-bit isn't it?

Hehe, but Josef, why would you want to elininate them ?
This is a serious question; Working long enough with PCs to know they never bother.
If this is about some performance reasons (and I think I heard that somewhere) ... where does *that* bother you ?

Why I use them ? rather simple : what you saw cut was a "parameter" and they are bound to a maximum length (in certain environments). So this is the means to overcome it. However, orginanally, and this is more important, it was born to overcome the Unicode problems in passing parameters. I still wouldn't know how to do it otherwise. So, such parameters won't enable the transfer of Unicode (again, in the environment I work), and the trick is to pass the short name, and dig up the original name at the other side.

Peter

PS: I'm very glad we found the culprit, because I really didn't know whether to look and what to look for. Thank you Roy.
13348  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: ChangeWP errors on: March 28, 2009, 05:12:45 pm
Huh ?
13349  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: CD's won't play ? on: March 28, 2009, 04:28:29 pm
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because x3 is created upon files "that did play on x3" correct me if i am wrong !@!

Ah, if that is your observation, that is important to know just the same !

Further, same problem on the short names.

Thank you Roy.

scratchingscratching
13350  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: CD's won't play ? on: March 28, 2009, 04:06:38 pm
Can it be so that with a previous version you didn't have this problem with the same CDs ?
(better not try it right now, because you might get stuck).

It looks like you have the same problem as here : ChangeWP errors.
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