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« on: February 21, 2010, 12:27:29 am »

OK, so at the time of writing, this version had been downloaded 43 times... enough to start a topic, I think.

On my system, Engine#4 comes across in a very 'down to earth', 'organic' sort of way. Engine#3 is great (better than before?) but is 'in your face' compared to Engine#4. Maybe there's a time and a place for either... but for me, it's Engine#4 all the way.

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« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2010, 12:56:13 am »

Mani, I downloaded it and would agree with your comments.  I'm using a Lynx AES16 card on Win7 and I have found that I can't use the lowest buffer size of 32 in Special Mode - it sounds like slow motion.  I hear a few cracks here and there....still experimenting....but overall a nice step forward in SQ.

Question - if the SQ improvements of this latest version are due to reduced latency, then would it not stand to reason that a properly designed async interface would be even better?  My experimentation with my AES interface has made it clear that final SQ out of my DAC is influenced by a bunch of variables that I'd rather not be at the mercy of: e.g. proper cable impedance/type, latency, electrical noise isolation, jitter of the source clock, etc.   Asked another way, if one is using an async USB interface would this latest XXHE version produce audible improvement?

 

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« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2010, 02:25:34 am »

I had the same problem with the music playing in slow motion when buffer size was set to 32, but when I set player priority to low and thread priority to real time, the music played correctly.  All the pops and clicks also went away when I set the priorities.   
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« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2010, 11:02:14 am »

Peter,

I cant get special mode working. From 1 to 8186 there are cracks. I like to say though that the higher the better it gets. But even at 8186 the sound is not good. Full off cracks. Changing priority does not help either.

Can you help?

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« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2010, 12:30:55 pm »

Hi Gerard,

If you tried with Q2/3/4/5 = 0 I guess you have to give up on special mode. But the cause will be the soundcard with a too large buffer, I think.

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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2010, 12:32:31 pm »

No special mode here either. Also, one would think that 9y-6, with AP turned on (2x in my case) and peek extension checked, would sound identical to the same set up with 9y-5-06 (peek extension there by standard) but I think they are a little different. Might just be my imagination on this (more testing needed, the Olympics one upped my listening session last night) but the integration of the mids and highs seems more smooth in 5-06. Anyone else notice this?

Also, with Q 2-5 at 0 the lowest I can go with Q1 is 8 (normal mode).
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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2010, 12:42:00 pm »

The same for me as for Gerard!

A little disappointing because in the previous version special mode worked.
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« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2010, 01:13:53 pm »

It works fine with buffer size set to 256, and the Q1 set to -4, (Q-parameter 7). The sound is more detailed and here are a lot of "room information". The piano is great Happy
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« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2010, 02:03:32 pm »

The same for me as for Gerard!

A little disappointing because in the previous version special mode worked.


Hi Peter GerardA,

i have connected the dac trough usb and now it does work...

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« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2010, 02:22:19 pm »

Mani,

I'm new to the forum but tried the different versions of the last months. I never used the Vista or Windows 7 path but could hear always a significant difference of the XP versions. This version sounds very musical for me. My coax louspeakers are very accurate and the actual soundstage is fantastic. Although the frequency-response characteristics of the speakers are catastrophic the sound is very sweet and musical.

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« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2010, 03:44:47 pm »

hey Peter ...

in the release notes for 0.9y-6 you make mention that with Special Mode and a latency of 2 samples that
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nothing will be able to bear that. This is not window breaking, but a nasty sound anyway.

I would have to disagree on that point .. haha

With the Device Buffer Size set at 48, I have my system running at 1 sample ( Q1 slider at -3 , and the tool tip indicates a parameter of -4 !?!? ) in  attended mode and everything sounds fantastic.

In fact I've been running with the Q1 slider at -1 in Special Mode using Unattended most of the afternoon. The only change to previous procedures has been to untick "Start Engine#3 during conversion", otherwise I get a few clicks etc until things settle down.

I'm really enjoying what i'm hearing with KS and it's ultra low latency.

Bravo !!

Now then , any tips as to what the numbers in my X3PB log are referring to ??

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Data-1 : 0.03  Data-2 : 1.6  Data-3 : 33  Data-4 : 4  Data-5 : 48
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Special Mode !
First ChangeWP call
First ChangeWP call
Wait for file to arrive (1) : 141
First ChangeWP call
Wait for file to arrive (1) : 283

Cheers,

Russ

oh BTW ... might be an idea to put a trap in the code to stop someone from trying to run with Q1 slider at -4 in Special Mode. It might save wear and tear on the reset button Grin



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« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2010, 03:53:40 pm »

Peter,

Thanx! By far the most beautiful sound i have ever heard on my system!! ok

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« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2010, 04:00:09 pm »

You guys keep on saying that each time ! You don't want me to keep on believing that, right ?
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But I think similar. If you only know how enthusiast I was when I heard this for the first time ... I even created a post about it, but since it started with teasingteasingteasing and I wasn't ready for an upgrade back at the time, I didn't post it.


Btw, I am going to have a small problem with it ... I need more output dBs ... haha
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« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2010, 04:04:22 pm »

Peter, Russ,

Do like what I hear now, it needs more investigation, but first impressions are very good.
Q = -1 in special mode works best for now if I go lower I will get clicks and pops. (at attended)

For the first time I like KS for all music......but again these are just todays findings.
Have to find the absolute boundaries of all settings.

Glad you didn't gave up on KS, Peter.
I know It took you lots of work, but I think It did pay of in the end.

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« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2010, 04:13:13 pm »

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The only change to previous procedures has been to untick "Start Engine#3 during conversion", otherwise I get a few clicks etc until things settle down.

People may also watch the OSD Time and whether that "clicks". In an earlier version I had to shut it off myself, although now it's allright again. But *if* this bothers to anyone, please let me know, because I can do that one somewhat smarter (less eating).

Russ, about those numbers :
They indicate that you are running with a latency of 0.048ms at 4 samples which actually is 1 and one byte spare. yes

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and the tool tip indicates a parameter of -4

Does it ? the tooltip on the button itself ? I think you misplaced a couple of things *or* the tooltip wasn't initialized for some reason. So, thinking about the latter (of course Happy), if you'd slide the thing a bit back and forth, it will show the samples allright. 1 in your case.
Btw, if it doesn't show that, how would you know it is 1 ? hehe

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For a general PC :
W10-10586.0 - May 2016 (2.05+)
*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10  (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere.

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