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« Reply #330 on: November 15, 2010, 06:14:18 pm »

I have a dutch version of Vista Ultimate x64,

Can somebody point me to a English version, or a link.

I will spend my whole 17 days of Christmas holiday to vLite it.

But I really need a ENGLISH version, to start with.........

Somebody....

Roy
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« Reply #331 on: November 15, 2010, 06:45:52 pm »

Marcin, please notice that Josef's post is beautifully counter productive to what I said (stupid english Happy). What I mean to say is : what he says is very plausible, and in that case you will never get it better, just because it is not in the base.  But ...

If anything adds to the broadness of stage, depth, livelyness - relative to a given system, it is noise. So, it is just your flatness which makes me think it is better. But it is also stupid theory, only given by the "fact" that noise broadens (and noise might be out of the way).

Isn't audio difficult ?

Btw, wasn't it much more easy before ?
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PS: if you have a firly good system, play an MP3. The stage wille WIDER.
So, is that a good thing ?
How wide should "a" stage be ?
We don't know ...
Maybe if all is 100% right it's flat as a pancake, and therefore we shouldn't strive for that. swoon
Back to W7 ?

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« Reply #332 on: November 15, 2010, 10:28:25 pm »

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I for sure do NOT want to go online to activate the OS.

My experience : Once yoyuhave (!) to do that because it doesn't go automatically (which is on-line also of course), it won't work anyway. So, it goes automatically, or it doesn't work at all.

Peter, all this can be avoided with an OEM version, like I said, which is pre-activated (or can be made so).
Anyway, if you BOUGHT the license, it doesn't matter what you do to stop the activation nags (there are other ways more brutal that work).

PS: Those thing re-asking for activation usually happen AFTER some "security" updates that you downloaded and installed. I'm NEVER going to do that for the Music PC.
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« Reply #333 on: November 15, 2010, 10:29:16 pm »

I have a dutch version of Vista Ultimate x64,

Can somebody point me to a English version, or a link.

I will spend my whole 17 days of Christmas holiday to vLite it.

But I really need a ENGLISH version, to start with.........

Somebody....

Roy

Roy you have my ftp link in last MONTH mail, forgot about that? Happy
Try to start with a SP2 OEM vista x64
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« Reply #334 on: November 16, 2010, 10:13:54 am »

Hi guys!

Once the pride of the setup, my dedicated music PC now seems angient. I am going to build a brand new one to benefit from RAM etc. That will have to wait until end of the year.

However, going back from W7 to Vista is easy. I can do that tomorrow. Is it worth it? Will I hear any SQ improvement from W7 vs. Vista? (Everything else unchanged).

Thanks in advance,
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« Reply #335 on: November 16, 2010, 07:04:38 pm »

Okayyy, you you managed to post this in the proper topic but can't find the answer ?

More answers tomorrow. Haha
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A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
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« Reply #336 on: November 16, 2010, 08:08:48 pm »

Pedal,
yes there is significant difference:
-first the start up logo is blue and green
-there is button for quick window switch(which i still can't find in w7)
-some cosmetic and visual things
-and YES BETTER SOUNDING ENGINE! But I think you can get it from all the 23 pages in this topic hahah Happy
NVM try Vista and listen music that's all for now.
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« Reply #337 on: November 16, 2010, 11:06:35 pm »

Guys,

I now run the re-vlited vista hp sp2 32 bit and System properties show that Windows is not activated. So, will it lock down in 30 days? I have taken all network out of the OS. What are options here?

And tell me how are you doing with your W7s and Vistas? You all have legal ones? Do you activate them?

I am just curios if it is possible to create an extra small OS vlite image for music and also get done with activation?

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« Reply #338 on: November 17, 2010, 12:11:00 am »

Thanks Criss!

I had Vista in the past, but with some minor hick-ups regarding Remote Desktop. W7 has been perfect in that regard. But SQ is first priority of course, so back to Vista!

Are there any particular VISTA version which is best?

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« Reply #339 on: November 17, 2010, 12:55:40 am »

@Ivo: no worries it's not XP there is no 30 days..I think.
@Pedal: try 32bit Vista Home Premium SP1/SP2 it's okay too.
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« Reply #340 on: November 17, 2010, 01:32:16 pm »

Ivo, when I recently purchased vista and installed it in my dual boot system, I did not install any anti virus software and turned off all such native stuff in vista cause it never sees the internet. I did get the "thirty day" message and found that you can register it by phone. Here's how: http://www.mydigitallife.info/2008/10/13/how-to-activate-windows-vista-by-phone-activation/
Its simple. You call and are asked to input you registration key; then you are given a registration number that you input on the computor and you are done....no more thirty day messages. Hope this helps.
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« Reply #341 on: November 17, 2010, 06:13:14 pm »

Ivo,

You are only "alowed" to run Windows on 1 PC.
So if you make that call, boleary talked about.

You will get a Q like: do you run windows on several PC's
ANSWER: NO

Roy

PS: you have an option in vLite to put your reg. key in, use that.
      This way you can do a unattended install.     
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« Reply #342 on: November 17, 2010, 11:29:46 pm »

And the 3rd way is to geniune it(crack it) If you have original serial number I don't think it's a crime!
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« Reply #343 on: November 18, 2010, 12:10:10 am »

W2K would be an option though ... Happy

Criss, no, no Linux. Maybe sometime (when this small part is really finished), but it will really need a complete rewrite.
I've heard Linux implementations too, and didn't like them either. no

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That's interesting as, purely in theory, due to its infinite tweakability Linux could be made superior to Windows (including current 'gold standard' Vista): Are you at liberty disclosing what were those Linux implementations you heard?
 
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« Reply #344 on: November 18, 2010, 12:27:59 am »

Linux is the best resourse/stable OS but unfortunately(or not) Bill's boys have done better work with sound engene/drivers. Ofc I hopes that in near future Linux will give us sound blasting but for now kUbuntu, gNome and KDE sounds dry and skinny unhappy
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