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« on: January 28, 2012, 08:33:20 pm »

Hi,

I have a M2Tech young DAC, does anyone have suggestions for the settings of XXHighEnd . I tried the up-sampling to 384kHz+ arcpredicted in KS mode but the sound seams a little compressed.

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« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2012, 11:53:44 pm »


Try setting an SFS size that allows you to use 'Straight Contiguous'.... you may end up with a size that's much lower than you are currently showing in your signature.  I find that using the Mixed modes muddies things "significantly".

Have you've noticed a difference between 44.1k- and 48k-based playback?

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« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2012, 07:41:47 am »

Young-related settings should be the Octo (8x) Arc Prediction Filtering indeed, but also the choice between "DAC Needs" 24 bits and 32 bits. 24 may sound better. Try this carefully though, because I relate this to the HiFace where this is possible. The Young should be the same, but might not.

Further there are so many other settings and combinations of them. It may take you a few days to get hold of them all (and their merits). A first next thing might be the Clock Resolution. And KS Special Mode with a really low Q1.
And lastly but surely the Minimize OS (and Unattended Playback of course (no UI)).

Hope this gets you going a little ...
Peter (sending welcome greetings just the same)
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« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2012, 10:15:27 pm »

I was using HiFace original then HiFace MK2, now JKDAC32 which contains HiFace inside. With the latter I switched to Young's drivers as in several forums people have confirmed this way sounds better. I suspect if Young's drivers fit HiFace, HW is "the same". Just renewed my signature, so check please settings of XX there.
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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2012, 02:03:10 am »

I've upgraded to Young driver and it definitely is an improvement over standard drivers for Hiface.

Stick with that but you need to work slowly through XXhighend settings. It takes time and listening to sort.

Try one setting at a time and give yourself a week unless it is very obvious. I've been running engine 3 for 3 months and only just changed to engine 4.

Bearing in mind that XXhighend can deliver a sound that requires speakers to be repositioned, subs to be recalibrated or equipment short comings!!! etc.
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« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2012, 11:52:26 pm »


Thanks for all the suggestions.

I'd start with upsampling to 192 kHz and antimage ON
SFS straight continuous at 10.
engine #4 and KS adaptive mode 4096 buffersize
I like the SQ now, i will follow the suggestions and make the adjustments one at the time and wait to settle down the effect.

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« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2012, 08:58:53 am »

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I'd start with upsampling to 192 kHz and antimage ON

This (Anti Image) should give you the worst SQ of everything ...
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W10-14393.0 - July 17, 2021 (2.11)
XXHighEnd Mach III Stealth LPS PC -> Xeon Scalable 14/28 core with Hyperthreading On (set to 14/28 cores in BIOS and set to 10/20 cores via Boot Menu) @~660MHz, 48GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 14393.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/0/0/*1*/ Q1Factor = *4* / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = *10ms* / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = *10.13*  (max 10.13) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / Stop Desktop, Remaining, WASAPI and W10 services / Use Remote Desktop / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD Off (!) / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *62* / Nervous Rate = *1* / Cool when Idle = n.a / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability = Stable / Custom Filtering *Low* (16x) / Always Clear Proxy before Playback = On -> USB3 from MoBo -> Lush^3
A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).

For a general PC :
W10-10586.0 - May 2016 (2.05+)
*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10  (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere.

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