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« on: February 22, 2021, 05:12:09 pm »

Anyone tried Chaka Khan - Echoes of An Era.

For me each track plays ok until near the end but jumps to next track prematurely. Does not happen with any other album.

https://tidal.com/browse/album/281764

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« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2021, 11:32:03 am »

Hi Colin,

I’m having the same problem with Tidal streams which I prepared today. Earlier streams do not exhibit such problems neither does music ripped from CD’s.

I wonder if it’s something to do with Tidal...

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« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2021, 12:41:15 pm »


Are these MQA albums (or tracks) ?
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« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2021, 02:26:16 pm »

Hi Peter,

I was playing a couple of MQA albums, when I noticed this problem. Will try non MQA albums too once I prepare streams.

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« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2021, 04:03:07 pm »

Hi Peter,

Non MQA albums don’t exhibit this problem. However as I mentioned earlier, MQA streams prepared prior to today also do not exhibit this problem. It seems to be a problem with Tidal MQA albums recently streamed.

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« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2021, 06:09:19 pm »

The Chaka Khan - Echoes of An Era I mentioned at start of this topic is MQA but I have downloaded several recent MQA albums which play OK.

I will try dowloading again

https://tidal.com/browse/album/281764

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« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2021, 01:14:36 pm »

Non MQA albums don’t exhibit this problem. However as I mentioned earlier, MQA streams prepared prior to today also do not exhibit this problem. It seems to be a problem with Tidal MQA albums recently streamed.

Hi Arvind,

Yes, that is what I expect. The problem may very well be this :

Lately, Tidal is converting all the existing normal Redbook albums to MQA. This is as fake as it can be, but it is also not formally supported. Thus, this is not MQA of any good quality at all, and you can see it by them being 16/44.1 and not 24/44.1 (or 24/88.2 or 24/96). Because this is not MQA really, XXHighEnd does not know what to do with it properly. I have been working on it already, but it is a bit of a tough problem. PLUS (mind you !) you just don't want these at all**. OK, so what I have been working on, is that you can see that they are fake (but also that they will play anyway).

**): With the notice that the old RedBook has been removed and they the ID of them is still the same (!!!).

If you re-Prepare these and you had the normal Redbook version from earlier, you will lose that version and it will be replaced by the MQA fake sh*t.

I think that at this moment you will be able to recognize them largely by the label telling 44.1. Thus the album in the picture below with be fake MQA by a vary big chance (but you will only know definitely after you have it in the playlist and will see that it is 16 bits).

Hard to check anyway at this moment, because of that result of one album only, at this moment. Sorry for that ...

Peter


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« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2021, 02:25:54 pm »

Hi Peter,

Thanks for the clarity. Really unfortunate though. Seems like an alternate to Tidal would be the eventual solution.

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« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2021, 05:20:55 pm »

The Chaka Khan album is one claiming to be MQA44 but plays at 1411 bit rate. If I switch off MQA Decoding the tracks play to their end so the problem is clear now.
I do have MQA44 albums that play correctly at 2116 bit rate so its only the bit rate that identifies the problem albums.

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« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2021, 06:02:10 pm »


Oh Colin, I never even thought of that "solution". Prize of the day ! (make that month).

Don't ask me whether the album sounds worse than normal RedBook. It may ... Maybe someone can check. You would need a local copy for that and a 44.1 which says it is MQA but shows 16 bits (or indeed the 1411 number). Never think that you can Prepare the MQA and next compare with a previously Prepared Redbook, because you will lose the latter (as stated in my previous post).

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