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Author Topic: Does Improving PC PSU and Reducing PC EMI/RFI Improve SQ?  (Read 207998 times)
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« Reply #135 on: June 09, 2010, 06:34:50 pm »

No, I don't say that. I just don't understand what it is for !
And you don't either I think. Hahaha

But you can always buy one. They will selll it for a reason. swoon
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« Reply #136 on: June 09, 2010, 06:37:31 pm »

I know what's the original purpose of this adapter, but it would be the easiest way for me to deliver clear power from a linear PSU to my sound card through it.
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« Reply #137 on: August 08, 2010, 09:26:38 am »

I know power conditioning can be a touchy subject for some but since we all are after the same goal of the best sound we can achieve (particularly w/ noisy components like PCs), here are some of my tweaks that I use with all my audio components, learned from other forums over the years. grazy

1. DIY power conditioner w/ Hammond Choke
   
    This is a very simple DIY that is extremely effective.  All you need is a Hammond 193L or 193M choke, some wire, and a male IEC.
   
     http://www.hammondmfg.com/193.htm
    http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/LEVITON-MANUFACTURING-835-515PR-/64-020
     (or equivalent for your country)

      The choke has two wires. Simply insert one wire into the Line/Hot of the plug, and the other into the Neutral. Plug into wall closest to your setup. That's it! Doesn't matter which wire you use. If the length is too short simply extend it with more wire (preferably soldered).

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=40168

It doesn't look sexy, but it's a) cheap and b) better than spending $700 on the commercial equivalent:

http://www.stereotimes.com/acc010500.shtml

This is just two of many threads, most of which are on Audio Asylum:

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=10310.20.
http://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/t.mpl?f=tweaks&m=145262

If you doubt what it will do for your a/c and sound, plug it in next to your TV. After a day I guarantee you will not want to take it out. holiday
Anyway, I just wanted to mention it because with computers noise is such a big problem and this simple DIY is a relatively cheap way to make a big impact on your music...

2. For those people using a desktop/tower PC for music I recommend upgrading your power cord. I have just recently switched my stock cord with this:

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=PGAC14SE

It lowered the noise floor of my PC and improved audio quality. They also have a cheaper version, but I can't vouch for that. I think the improvement is due to a combination of improved shielding and larger gauge wire. Larger gauge power cords (of the same design) usually sound better regardless of application.

The DIY choke however is several magnitudes better in terms of improvement.

hope this was of some help

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« Reply #138 on: September 16, 2010, 08:04:07 am »

Here's an interesting article relevant to this thread I just came across:

http://www.anandtech.com/guides/showdoc.aspx?i=3467

Here is a link to the custom power supply referenced in this article:

http://sjostromaudio.com/pages/hifi-projects/36-hifi-projects/97-jsr03-sjoestroem-super-regulator
Thought I mention that I have improved the regulator. I kind person in New York has done some measurements. 921 nanovolt noise!

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/power-supplies/20937-super-regulator-collecting-facts-15.html#post2132153
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/power-supplies/20937-super-regulator-collecting-facts-14.html#post1824991
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/power-supplies/20937-super-regulator-collecting-facts-14.html#post1986153

Check the green and cyan curve.


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« Reply #139 on: September 22, 2010, 12:15:33 am »

I made a post some time ago to the thread and said I would post some pictures of my modified M-Audio Transit. Its taken some time but here we go in case they are of interest.

Transit circuit, with super clock 4 modified to 6Mhz, two invius regulated supplies (3.3v and 5V), 4 Q-Power supplies (5v) and Black Gate decoupling caps throughout. I have picked up the SPDIF output and converted from optical to electrical output.

Its a real birds nest of wiring  whistle but musicaly rather good to listen to.



Close up of top side of Transit



Rear of transit showing positions of Black Gate decoupling caps



I am now using a HiFace which is similar in performance to the modified Transit (it seems that USB chips and implemtations have moved on a lot since the Transit was designed). If it were not for Peters NOS DAC I would be working on the HiFace (I think has great potential) but dosen't seem worth it if the Pasure NOS DAC might be availabe soon.


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« Reply #140 on: September 27, 2010, 01:51:37 pm »

Nick, thanks for posting the photos. Unfortunately I got rid of my Transit card, instead I use PCI sound card - Cantatis Overture. I've been thinking about psu mod, but I'm not sure if it'd be cost-effective.
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« Reply #141 on: October 05, 2010, 12:31:51 am »

Nick, are you still using Startech PCI USB controller for hiface or like your sig says, motherboard's controller? Did you compare those two? (disabling onboard controller when using PCI card)

I'd really appreciate if you made a comparison for me. Do you have similar experiences with FireWire controllers? Are those worth attention? I'm asking, because I'm about to build ultimate music server for my friend - based on OrigenAE case and the best components only. If the FireWire in his dCS Elgar Plus won't be good enough, then we'll go with RME HSDP AES-32 or HSDPe AES-32 (if it's better).
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« Reply #142 on: October 05, 2010, 11:34:30 am »

If the FireWire in his dCS Elgar Plus won't be good enough, then we'll go with RME HSDP AES-32 or HSDPe AES-32 (if it's better).

Marcin,

I'm pretty certain you can't use the Elgar's firewire input to connect it to a PC. The firewire input is designed to connect the Elgar to other dCS units (like their CD/SACD transports and upsampling units). They used firewire to allow for the high data rates required by SACD.

Of course, the newer dCS units can be connected directly to a PC, but via async USB, and not firewire.

If your friend is interested in using the Elgar's dual-wire AES inputs, then he has three options (there may be more):
1. the RME AES-32 (PCI or PCIe)
2. the Lynx AES16 (PCI or PCIe)
3. one of the Weiss units: AFI1 (with w/c IO) or INT202 (without w/c IO)

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« Reply #143 on: January 03, 2011, 03:42:14 am »

Recently, I did some experimentation with reducing EMI/RFI inside my Zalman PC.  Basically I took some ERS cloth (known for its EMI/RFI absorptive qualities), put it in a plastic bag (its conductive material!) and carefully encased my Lynx AES16 card.  The improvement was immediate.  Noise was reduced and SQ improved, specifically, richer tonality and increased micro/macro detail.  Has anyone else experimented in this area?   I've also put some ERS on my Zalman PSU with good results.  Next, I'm going to try putting some ERS on the IC chips on the Lynx.  The ERS is OK with high temp applications and the Lynx card doesn't run hot anyway.


earflappin,

Could you please post some pics of your "experiment" of encasing the sound card with ERS cloth and the plastic bag? I was wondering about doing the same with my Audiotrak Prodigy HD2 Xtreme...

Thanks in advance,

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« Reply #144 on: January 03, 2011, 06:05:29 am »

Gonzalito,

Unfortunately I am unable to post any pictures as I have since sold my Zalman TNN-300 silent PC music server with the AES16 PCI card in which I had encased the AES16 with ERS cloth.  What I can tell you is that I felt I heard some improvement, although I did not conduct a double blind test.  The only thing I would caution is that the ERS cloth is conductive and you do not want to let it make direct contact with the PCI for risk of shorting out the board.  That is why I used a plastic bag to encase the ERS cloth.  The AES16 board does not run hot so there is little, if any, risk of melting the bag.  Bottom line, all I can say is give it a try and let your ears be the judge.

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« Reply #145 on: January 03, 2011, 03:31:28 pm »

Hi Gonzalito,

I use ERS cloths to encase the Lynx AES 16 too. Earflappin is right that the cloth is conductive. But instead of using plastic bag to shield the cloth to pcb, I use clear plastic sheets that you may recycle from candy or chocolate boxes. You can use this plastic sheet to custom made a "shield box" for the Lynx card and then attach ERS cloth to all side of the shield box using double side tape.

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« Reply #146 on: January 03, 2011, 03:46:23 pm »

Thanks both of you, earflappin and Praphan, for your answers.

Praphan,

Was the improvement very noticeable?


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« Reply #147 on: January 03, 2011, 05:07:14 pm »

To be honest, not a "wow" improvement. But worth a try. You will have a slightly darker abckground.
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XX 0.9z-8-3a : KS Engine 4 "Adaptive"; DB = 4096; APx16; Q1/2/3/4/5 = 14x1/0/0/0/0; No Appointment/low/real time; CR = 0.5 ms; XTweaks Ultimate; SC; SFS= 120/120 ; allow format change; unattended ; min OS and stop "all" services; normalized volume usually played at -15db ;  peak extension on ; PA off

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« Reply #148 on: September 11, 2012, 05:23:55 pm »

A big (super) regulator test can be found in Linear Audio's volume 4.

http://linearaudio.nl

http://www.linearaudio.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=85&Itemid=115
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