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« Reply #60 on: June 24, 2015, 11:27:53 am »

As I wrote a couple of days ago, the “100W HDPlex”  LPS arrived and the SQ improved with a very quiet background and “digging out” more details (not heard before).

My conclusion: “Something is going on with the SQ using a LPS”.

Thank you too, Joachim. But ... where did you write that ? I missed it (and now can't find it).

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Peter

Hi Peter,

there is a "hell of traffic" in this forum at present and I didn't mention the brand of the LPS, but see here:

http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=3268.msg35384#msg35384

To clarify, we all know, that every system sounds different, very different.

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« Reply #61 on: June 24, 2015, 12:18:02 pm »

Rakesh, you quote me where I say that I cannot tell what each of the modifications on their own bring to the overall sound. Only that the combination was very good. And than you turn it around 180 degrees (again) and sarcastically comment on my 'claims' that I can make that kind of distinctions on what each of the modifications bring separately. Either you do this misinterpretation on purpose or, however hard your teachers tried, you should ask for your money back.


Hi Leo

Let's put it this way. There are two aspects to this.

First I was rather annoyed, peeved, miffed by your earlier unsolicited rudeness.My earlier post was clearer in that regard but Peter suggested I edit my post, which I did, the Magna Carta being a British thing and  not being well known elsewhere. With that editing, the baby went out with the bathwater.

Second, if it is the case truly you cannot tell the difference then by rights your comment should belong in the section with the change which was most accountable for what you heard. It so happened your post went in the 'scary thread."

Now I am very mindful about what I can say and so would rather say less than I truly think on this matter. For the record though, I would reiterate that I am actually supportive of this use of Windows 10 in Ramdisk for the XXHighend PC but I do not follow what Peter calls the 'mainstream ' reasons for it positively affecting sound. Again this is something I will do but at this early stage I would have avoided being so gung-ho out of consideration for others who may now think their PC need a MAJOR and EXPENSIVE reconfiguration. Only in my case of course, it is easier for me to hang back a little ( I do trust Peter), wait for further confirmation of those who try the new tweak and take it from there.

In the meantime, another advantage is that I can concentrate on the development of my acoustic system, which is all about planning, designing and building (getting it built).

So no I did not misunderstand you. It's just I did not care much for the rudeness you exhibited and the elephant in a China shop syndrome of your post, aims at nothing and hits everything. So now you know. I could say more but Peter's earlier reaction to an expression of speculative doubt, which was more about trying to understand the reasoning and the why, does not bode well for such a thought being expressed here and now.

But let's keep it in good spirits. It's only an opinion based in large measure on what I have read here and elsewhere. I strongly second Joachim's view, expressed above, though that "every system sounds different, very different" and that makes it difficult to see the wood from the trees and encourages unfortunate generalisations...For example to what extent a LPS benefits your PC depends on one million other factors but somehow here people are trying to establish the positive effect or otherwise by relying on some random anecdotal evidence. Not kosher but again only my opinion.

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« Reply #62 on: June 24, 2015, 12:56:24 pm »


Something else is that I feel that the "normal" linear power supply is NOT doing what it theoretically promises. I see no proof of it anywhere and to give one example from our own circles : even Mani stays silent.


Arjan mentioned a positive change last year in the LPS thread.  That was with a simple LPS into a picoPSU.
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« Reply #63 on: June 24, 2015, 02:14:48 pm »

First I was rather annoyed, peeved, miffed by your earlier unsolicited rudeness.My earlier post was clearer in that regard but Peter suggested I edit my post, which I did, the Magna Carta being a British thing and  not being well known elsewhere. With that editing, the baby went out with the bathwater.

Oh, is that so. In that case I'm afraid that none of us can get through to you, especially me (not).
You fool with me just the same you know. What a waste of time ...

I understand that it's not a culture thing either. Well, then it is just you. And if you are so persistent with this all, we don't like you. But I already told you; it is raining complaints here.
So you are out; depening on what further happens, maybe forever.

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A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
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*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10  (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
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« Reply #64 on: June 24, 2015, 06:50:48 pm »

Fact is that I have detached my 3 chassis fans for more than a year now, because there was the OS 2.5" hdd in it only anyway and the CPU (though cooled (in silent fashion)) is not warmer than 40 Celcius at any time (plus I have the lid off all this time).


Peter thanks,

How do you cool down silently the cpu?

Where could I find information on how to lower the CPU frequency in the forum? If I remember well it not only helps to have lower temperature but also better SQ.

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Music Server PC (W10) totally silent with OS (W10) in SSD and music inside in SSDs - RDC > Ethernet Gigabyte cable 3m > Audio Pc > 1m USB Lush cable directly from the USB3.0 in the motherboard > PHASURE NOS1a-75B-G3 (Driver v1.0.4) 16ms > Blaxius BNC interconnects > Genelec 1037B 3-Way Active speakers with BNC inputs
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« Reply #65 on: June 24, 2015, 07:26:39 pm »

Juan,

Normally the CPU is cooled "silently" with heat pipes. However, our PC does it with a very low rev and large double fan cooler (19dBA max = inaudible).

The CU frequency as how I (and others) have it at 430MHz is from the ASRock MoBo which by accident or bug combination (with the OS) allows that under Windows 8 (Windows 10 no change).

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W10-14393.0 - July 17, 2021 (2.11)
XXHighEnd Mach III Stealth LPS PC -> Xeon Scalable 14/28 core with Hyperthreading On (set to 14/28 cores in BIOS and set to 10/20 cores via Boot Menu) @~660MHz, 48GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 14393.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/0/0/*1*/ Q1Factor = *4* / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = *10ms* / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = *10.13*  (max 10.13) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / Stop Desktop, Remaining, WASAPI and W10 services / Use Remote Desktop / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD Off (!) / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *62* / Nervous Rate = *1* / Cool when Idle = n.a / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability = Stable / Custom Filtering *Low* (16x) / Always Clear Proxy before Playback = On -> USB3 from MoBo -> Lush^3
A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).

For a general PC :
W10-10586.0 - May 2016 (2.05+)
*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10  (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
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« Reply #66 on: June 24, 2015, 07:31:00 pm »

Hi Juan,

Having a Sabertooth X79 (I got mine in 2012), I can't lower the CPU clock below 1.3ghz, no matter what I try. At some point, the PC refuses to start. I can see the power light fluctuate as if it was attempting to start, but then it shuts...

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« Reply #67 on: June 24, 2015, 11:42:33 pm »

Thanks Peter and Alain. It seems that with my motherboard it is impossible to avoid the fans.

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Juan
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Configuration and Updates in HOW I'VE BUILT MY NEW PC...http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=1673.0. This post is very old but maybe someone still find it useful

XXHighEnd: 2.11a. Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 14393.0 from RAM, music on LAN/ KS:Phasure NOS1 Out 4.0/ #4 Engine/ Adaptive Mode/ Q1=10, Q3,4,5=1, xQ1=15/ Dev.Buffer: 4096/ ClockRes: 15ms/ Straight Contiguous/ SFS: 0.69 (max 0,69)/ Not Invert/ Phase Alignment Off/ Allow format change/ Decode HDCD/ Playerprio: Low/ ThreadPrio: Real Time/ Scheme: Core 3-5/ UnAttended/ Not Switch during Playback Off/ Playback Drive none/ UnAttended/ Include Garbage Collect/ Copy to XX Drive by standard/ Always clear Proxy before Playback/ Stop Desktop Services/ Stop Remaining Services/ Stop All Services: Off/ Keep LAN Services: On - Persist: Off/ Use Remote Desktop/ Minimize OS/ XTweaks : Balanced Load 35/ Nervous Rate 10/ Cool when Idle -/ Provide Stable Power 0/ Utilize Cores always 1/ Time Performance Index: Optimal / Time Stability: Stable / Arc Prediction/ Number of cores in use: 12 (máx. 6-12)

Music Server PC (W10) totally silent with OS (W10) in SSD and music inside in SSDs - RDC > Ethernet Gigabyte cable 3m > Audio Pc > 1m USB Lush cable directly from the USB3.0 in the motherboard > PHASURE NOS1a-75B-G3 (Driver v1.0.4) 16ms > Blaxius BNC interconnects > Genelec 1037B 3-Way Active speakers with BNC inputs
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« Reply #68 on: June 26, 2015, 02:21:46 am »

Peter,
I have no words of education - I have been thinking about it and if I were to try I would probably do something like the following -
- boot into DOS mode
- create a very large RAM drive
- copy the OS from an external drive into the RAM drive
- start Windows
this would be pretty slow...
I'm not sure on shutdown how things would get saved back to the external disk. 
I tip my hat to you once again.
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« Reply #69 on: June 26, 2015, 06:01:36 am »

So there is a very valid theory for this, but one had to experience it to confirm .... Happy
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