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1021  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: WARNING : Degraded SQ from off 0.9n u/i 9.0p on: November 07, 2007, 02:54:20 pm
Are both C: and X: connected by the same type ? I mean, both SATA, or might C: be ATA/SATA and X: be USB ?
(etc.)


Both are ATA.....

1022  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: WARNING : Degraded SQ from off 0.9n u/i 9.0p on: November 07, 2007, 02:09:00 pm
Heeeeey Peter, All,

Nou breekt mijn klomp (My wooden shoe just broke) ( Dutch Term)  biglol  too much !

There are two things going on!!!

Cracks are gone and the Errors (during random play) are gone....

What did i do??!!! rapappaaa rappapaaa rapapaaaa haha.....  Happy

Ok

From the beginning of i had two harddrives....

HARDDRIVE 1:  is named C:\ and on that one is Windows and all the other programms including XX Highend installed. Also my favorit music was on this harddisk.

HARDDRIVE 2: is named X:\ and contained music wich i had to sort out....

I removed all my music from both disks and put my favorit music from my backup in X:\

Also i moved the map that contains XXHIGHEND and put that also in X:\


Right now i do some big stressing on C:\. Normally the errors and cracks come up very often...
But for the last 4 hours there is nothing... NO CRACKS - NO ERRORS too much !


4 Hours is maybe less to make conclusions but i could not wait to tell.... And fo me this is to much of a coincidence...

Let you know

Grrrrrtzzzz Gerard..    yahoo
1023  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: WARNING : Degraded SQ from off 0.9n u/i 9.0p on: November 06, 2007, 07:10:44 pm
Gerard, two questions please :

a. Do you say that you actually had the crackles, say, always ?

b. Do you perhaps say that you don't have them in 0.9pd ?



Additionally : Can you verify that you have the crackles with EAC ripped WAVs from your own origine ?
This is not about bad rips, but about the treatment for non-EAC (better : not official red book format) rips as per 0.9o. This treatment is special, and your memory listing from your earlier post may indicate that it is happening ...

Thanks.
Peter


Peter hoi,

A: Yes i have had the crackles as long as i remember. (beginning of XX)

B: Since yesterday i have been playing witk pd and i have them with APC checked and unchecked.

I have crackles with my own EAC rippes and with EAC ripped cd's from someone "else"... And from i know of they are very good!!!

What do you mean with "This treatment is special"

I will do a test with a model before 0.9o and specially with rips from someone else... But i am 98% sure...

Grtzzz
1024  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: WARNING : Degraded SQ from off 0.9n u/i 9.0p on: November 06, 2007, 01:54:40 pm
Peter hoi,

I tried today some stress the pc some more.. and i kept on looking on processen during playing... When the crackling apears i did not see anything strange beside's the things under.... Look at what xx does.. Normally it's + 47.168 and 17.352


I said before that after a song "with" the new song is fresh/without. This is not correct.. A few time's even the next song does it. One time i moved the cursor just i bit and it was gone.... Also one time there was nothing going on i moved the cursor a litlle and than it began....

For now i give up.... And enjoy the new model.... Is great!!

Gerard...  Grin


1025  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: WARNING : Degraded SQ from off 0.9n u/i 9.0p on: November 06, 2007, 12:06:32 pm
Camera not necessary, I believe you.

Is this repeatable ? I mean, supposed you just rebooted and all, and it took, say, 20 minutes for it to occur; could you let it do exactly the same (same tracks !) again ?

If yes, please then try it WITHOUT reboot, but restart of XX only. Then exactly the same sequence again.

And ... you still think that this is since a certain XX version, do you ? maybe re-check that ?

The camera thing i would like to do to see what give's the pike or is that not important?
I really think (but will try) that its not everytime the same again. I have the idear that whatever is giving the pike when the pike is coming at the "wrong" time/place that than things go wrong. (End of a track) But less/sometimes it comes up during playing. Mostly the crackling goes all the way to the end of a track. but rearly it is for just 5-10 seconds.

I did not try compearing models. For me this thing is from the beginning of.... And as i told you before i did not tell because i thought it was the xp driver. You know that in the beginning i send you a PM ivm the EMU DSP thing. In that time the crackling was there....

I said that there was one time i thought the crackling was less.... But as i learnt they's day's all depends on the way i/whe are using the computer. So i think that that conclusion cannot be seen with a version that was current. ( In my case)

Gr G...  Happy

EDIT: For a few day's now i thought that the crackling apears often/more in the beginning of playing. When i start the computer and starts XX today also after 10 min. But i could be wrong!!
1026  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: WARNING : Degraded SQ from off 0.9n u/i 9.0p on: November 06, 2007, 10:57:19 am
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Right now playing with processetab in front of me and watching if something strange come up when crackling apears...

Gerard,

Didn't you fall alseep by now ?
Must it be the conclusion, almost 24 hours later, you don't have problems when Processor Core Appointment is shut off ?


Hey Peter,

I can go back to bed  Wink Just playing for 10 min Norah Jones (EAC .Wav) and the crackling apeart. ( It happends for 10 seconds and than went back to normal)

Offcourse APC is off... ( And restart after unchecking)
I will have to wait until i have a camera... Maybe i can borrow one sooner...

Will let you know....


Grtzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzznurk
1027  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: WARNING : Degraded SQ from off 0.9n u/i 9.0p on: November 06, 2007, 10:22:32 am
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Right now playing with processetab in front of me and watching if something strange come up when crackling apears...

Gerard,

Didn't you fall alseep by now ?
Must it be the conclusion, almost 24 hours later, you don't have problems when Processor Core Appointment is shut off ?

Hahaha....

No i did not fall asleep.... Did not had the lust yesterday anymore.... I will try that today....And I will find out what is causing the pike... We where planning to  buy a videocamera in a few weeks and when i have that i will put him for my screen and let Processentab open... I will be to late to see,  but i can rewind back....  Grin

Let you know tonight!! (processor core appointment)

Grtzzz

( Ps yesterday ( APC checked) not doing any stressing in the evening it happend only once...)
1028  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: WARNING : Degraded SQ from off 0.9n u/i 9.0p on: November 05, 2007, 10:21:50 am
What is eating your cpu when you have the problems ...

I'm afraid though it's not so easy to find out; I expect it to be a one-time spike (like you showed before) but which possibly keeps on having the DAC de-synchronized until a stop-start is issued.

Let's not forget : no matter I don't have the problem myself, it should be the program that incurs for it now.

The best test might be : unchecking Processor Core Appointment, quit XX, reboot, and let it run so long that you're sure it won't happen anymore (or of course notice it still happens).

Be careful not to use other types of music data than before (WAV/FLAC/MP3).

I will do that...

just playing .Wav right now.....

Right now playing with processetab in front of me and watching if something strange come up when crackling apears...

 Happy
1029  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: WARNING : Degraded SQ from off 0.9n u/i 9.0p on: November 05, 2007, 09:40:30 am
Hi Gerard,

Indeed, before it showed 99 I guess ... ? (which it should !!).

A few remarks :

dwm.exe : your glass look in Vista. Better turn that off (into classic I think).

Explorer.exe : no idea why that is using cpu in your case.

General : 12 % useage is way too much (10 % follows from the list). If you sort the cpu column, at the top the cpu users will appear.




Peter,

CPU normally 5, 6, 7.

Normally in my case 95, 96, 97, 98.      But when it happend 87, 88, 90

I Changed bureaublad in clasical weergave.

I did sort the column... what do you like to know?
1030  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: WARNING : Degraded SQ from off 0.9n u/i 9.0p on: November 04, 2007, 10:36:24 pm
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Sometime's even when i do not stress the sysstem than sometime's the crackling and the errors come up. But not so much. So maybe the pc is doing something i/whe do not know of. And with this maybe whe could find out.??

The reason i began doing this is that than maybe whe find the real reason for those errors....

Ah, ok, clear.
Yeah, well, it is obvious that you are not the only one, so for sure something is going on. But also, in the context of what you are saying / proved, there's this :

It was me who always told that Vista/Engine#3 could not be stressed in any way that it would matter. But but but :
Since 0.9m(-1) and the appointment of processor cores I would express the opposite : while Engine#3 is not allowed to divide its tasks between the cores *AND* when new processes are started after Engine#3 running ... they will be appointed by the OS to the 2nd core (because the 1st core is already much more busy, see pics), and it will influence Engine#3 directly.

Do note though that this is from off 0.9m(-1) and not from off a later version.
Just trying to find an explanation ...

This explains a lot to me...  Happy Happy So maybe when we like to do someting else and listening whe have to open the other thing before XX.

Diffucult job you have  wacko (But nice i think)

Grtzzz  Grin
1031  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: WARNING : Degraded SQ from off 0.9n u/i 9.0p on: November 04, 2007, 10:19:58 pm
Hi Gerard,

I'm not sure what you are trying to tell here, but it looks like : when I stress the system, the sounds degrades.
Yeah, well ... Is it our intention to be able to stress the system and maintain good SQ now ?

If I misunderstood your message, please say so ... yes
Btw, if you are starting a process during playback, this is out of control of "Appointing Processor Cores", and they will interfere with playback (being the right (2nd) core).

Sliding the cursor towards the end of the track (in the area of 10 seconds near the end of it) confuses the "mechanism", so let's say it's not fair to do that (I think that's somewhere in the Release Notes, if that matters at all nea).

Alltogether it is difficult to talk in the context of what you are doing with the PC, while obviously (??) it is not the intention at all to do such things.
But again, maybe I misunderstood.

Peter

Peter with this i mean exactly what you are saying. I began noticing that than the errors come up more. And i think i am not the only one who does some stressing (more or less)  with there pc. So everyone may know now that when they are doing a lot/less that this can happen.

( Even writing a post give's pike's in taakbeheer)

When i do not slide the errors also come up. So sliding really does not bring up the errors more often.

Sometime's even when i do not stress the sysstem than sometime's the crackling and the errors come up. But not so much. So maybe the pc is doing something i/whe do not know of. And with this maybe whe could find out.??

The reason i began doing this is that than maybe whe find the real reason for those errors.... And maybe you or someone else has a good idear when reading this.? Just trying.

But i will stop now....  Happy
1032  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: WARNING : Degraded SQ from off 0.9n u/i 9.0p on: November 04, 2007, 08:45:49 pm
blush1
From various angles it comes to me that the SQ on versions 0.9n (but possibly from off 0.9o only) u/i 0.9p is degraded;
Soft crackles may emerge, depending on the soundcard used (and possible buffer settings in there).
This may start immediately or start after a few tracks playing.

Please revert to 0.9m-1 to be sure to have the good SQ again.

Thanks for everybody reporting this, while I myself was busy judging MP3 sound (which for me is without crackles, but here too others report them).

Edit :
But please note this is not sure; e.g. I myself can't copy this behaviour.

Peter



Hi Peter, All,

I think i know now what is causing the problem for the errors during random play an even the crakling sound.... I was telling you before that i thought i might have to do with a busy harddrive/or Cpu for that matter.
Well tonight i began to do some serious moving (50 cd's )music (knippen/plakken) from one harddrive to another and did a virus check. Also i opend windows mediaplayer (not playing). and Gom player (playing a dvd). and did downloading a cd from the internet. ( The whole test i did the same!)
 
Gom player started to do update and while i was playing with xx The crackling sounds come's up for 10 seconds and automaticly disapear.

Very soon also at the end of a track the errors whe were talkin before came up. So i manualy pusht the slide bar to the end so that the testing speeded up a litlle. For 3 time's in a row the errors came up.  T

the crackling sound in the 10 min appeart 3 time's.

I made pic's also what was happening with Taakbeheer!! Look at the time right.. All of this in less than 10  min.



Pic 3 the first error (did not put in the same errors 2 and 3)
Pic's 4 and 5 crackling sound first time and second time.

EDIT: 21:00 uur Ok right now it happend 6 time's that the errors come up in 10 min time. ( Strangly no crackling right now)  unhappy

EDIT: 21.35 Crackling apears with .wav cd from Eva Cassidy all song long. Till the end and than with the next track played normal. (pic6)

EDIT:21.45 Again crackling Eva.
EDIT:21.47 Crackling.
1033  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: WARNING : Degraded SQ from off 0.9n u/i 9.0p on: November 04, 2007, 06:55:08 am
Thank you guys. Really appreciate it.
Remember, I can't do it all alone ... nea

Peter  whistle

It's in a way fantastic that we either here or through private PM's collects info and beam it up to you.

Beforehead I have pointed out how difficult it must be to define where all those small problems appears from.

Settings?
HW?
SW?

To my big surprise yesterday I heard clicks even with Foobar. Never ever heard it before. And since I bought myself a stacker and threw out my labtop for the sake of storrage capacity, well, the clicking phenomenon appeared. It never happened before. (09m-1)

Now, when I upgraded to 09p yesterday, it started. But now also with both 09m-1 and Foobar. And it is 100% unrelated to Q1 settings. RME settings. One core settings etc. etc......

Must be a busy day today....in the bright CPU you carry on top of your neck...hahaha.  Wink


Gerner

What kind of a brain does it take to determine wether it's a HW or a SW buggy-woggy?

Hoi Peter,

This is excactly one of the reasens i did not tell you in the beginning. If i remember correct i have had this problem also with playing with Mediamonkey. ( Like Gerner has it with Foobar).. That's why i thought it was the Xp driver used in Vista. But i never or less played again with this program. There was also a time that i did not have this problem as much as today. For me it was not a big issue when it was happening once a day. One day i remember i was copying a bunch off music to my externe (usb) harddrive and then the chrackling appears again and again.

I have this crackling sound from the beginning of. But now i will spend more time in testing this problem...

And i think Gerner is right about the way we all are working....  Happy  ( but in this case i had to do it a little bit sooner.)  blush1

succes today....

Grtzzzz




1034  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: Wav, Flac , Mp3 Problems ? on: November 03, 2007, 09:09:35 pm
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Would you be so kind to PM me an example ?

Gerard, is it correct that I did not receive anything ?

Btw, I myself still did not find any anomaly yet .

Hoi Peter,

Peter you are right i did not have much time yet.. I did some listening though to only Mp3 but did not have the problem i described... I do not understand.... But tonight and tomorrow i will do some listening again but than put in Flac and wav in XX.... maybe the combi is the problem....  unhappy

Grtzzzz  Happy

Hoi Peter,

I have been playing a lot these day's and thinking i am crazy...   Maybe it was one particular mp3 cd ( I left in the list) but i don't no the one anymore. I have only had it once last day's when xx goes from a .wav to a mp3 file. But when i playt it again it did not apear.

So forget it i think.... When i have it again i will let you now...

Sorry...

Grtzzz
1035  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: Wav, Flac , Mp3 Problems ? on: November 03, 2007, 08:20:18 pm
Hoi Peter, All,

I will tell you one other thing i found out...  unsure

The errors  No Track Data FoundNo Track Given and Engine 3 apears for 4 time's in a row today. I pusht the left library button and let the window open. Than XX come's with errors. That apears when the window is open and at the same time the songs ends and wish to go to the next track.

Try it....

Grtzzzz   prankster


EDIT 1: I just have seen ( buglist) that it also apears when new tracks are loaded in. But in the case i am writing  you only need to open the left library button and leave the window open.

EDIT 2: Maybe just open and closing is the problem?
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