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 on: February 28, 2015, 10:48:12 am 
Started by PeterSt - Last post by manisandher
Hey, I still have them somewhere... can try to dig them out. But I don't think I had my vinyl setup very well optimized back then. And also I will readily admit that I NEVER managed to capture the full glory of vinyl on digital. It's not the ADC that was at fault per se, but the method of capturing the ADC output onto a storage device. Everything I tried for years failed. Some of the results were good, but never anywhere near the original vinyl. Anyway, I've now given up making needle drops for a while. If I want to hear my old 50s and 60s vinyl I just play it straight. And I have to say I love the sound - maybe not as accurate as digital, but very nice nevertheless.

I agree with Joachim 100% though - my 45rpm vinyl of Time Out trounces the 1997 Mark Wilder HDCD release in SQ. But I think a lot of this is down to the awful mixing on the HDCD - the alto sax is waaay too hot. Mark did exactly the same thing on the 1997 Kind of Blue CD release with the trumpet and saxs way too hot. He sort of admitted this when the 24/192 KOB was released recently. This has a much better balance, more in line with the original vinyl.

Mani.

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 on: February 28, 2015, 10:30:57 am 
Started by PeterSt - Last post by PeterSt
Hi Joachim,

Maybe you recall that many years ago we were testing the means of digitising Take Five. "We" = Mani and I looked in the files and listened to it. But as I recall this was not really about a comparison with the (a) CD version.
Point is : I still should have those but I can't find them.

Maybe Mani still has them, but then he must have registered thoroughly which was which version.

So, curious ...
Peter

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 on: February 27, 2015, 08:06:03 pm 
Started by PeterSt - Last post by christoffe
Hi,

vinyl SQ beats CD rip by a “lightyear” on the “Take Five”  track from Dave  Brubeck on this CD:

http://www.amazon.com/Time-Out-Dave-Brubeck-Quartet/dp/B000002AGN/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1425061499&sr=1-1&keywords=dave+brubeck (acc. to the booklet this CD is no remastering)

The vinyl version I listened to is on this LP:

http://www.amazon.com/Dave-Brubecks-Greatest-Hits-Brubeck/dp/B003XX2P9A/ref=tmm_vnl_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&sr=1-3&qid=1425061499

Anyone has the chance to compare?  You will be surprised what you do not hear on the CD.
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If my assumption/guess will be confirmed with other LP’S then most of  the ”analogue to digital” conversions from the ”master tapes” are for the trash. At present I’m listening to the  Miles Davis vinyl “Sketches of Spain” and the vinyl SQ confirms the trend.

Details about the differences later.

Joachim

EDIT: BNC coax cables are working in an analogue chain amazingly too!

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 on: February 27, 2015, 07:18:29 pm 
Started by vrao - Last post by christoffe
Hi,

at present I'm using for comparisons (Vinyl versus CD rips) the vinyl rig too, and when the turntable is my reference, the YFS USB (data only) cable with "no ambience" sounds not right. The SQ of the $1 USB cable is then nearer to the vinyl sound.

Joachim

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 on: February 27, 2015, 04:21:28 pm 
Started by PeterSt - Last post by juanpmar
Hi you first 10 guys ...

I will wait a little with ordering for the next batch so it can better match the further needs. Of course this also will depend on how much clapping you first 10 will be doing. And I sure hope you will because I am still doing so myself, and if you don't, I feel like stealing.

Enjoy your weekend !
Peter

Hey Peter, be quiet, we´ll try to judge it generously hehe Cool

Nah, seriously, thanks for shipping it so quickly

Juan

 6 
 on: February 27, 2015, 03:50:36 pm 
Started by PeterSt - Last post by PeterSt
Hi you first 10 guys ...

First off, thank you all for paying so quickly - some within minutes !

I just finished testing the first 7 cables which are ready now and I can tell that we will not be able to ship out all the 10 today (deadline in 15 minutes). So I decided to ship all 10 upcoming Monday.

Something else is that from the 20 meters of cable I ordered for trial, only 20cm is left (for the 10 of them) ! I never took into account that we could run short for the 10, so it is a bit of luck that it worked out; would have been quite embarrassing when not.

I will wait a little with ordering for the next batch so it can better match the further needs. Of course this also will depend on how much clapping you first 10 will be doing. And I sure hope you will because I am still doing so myself, and if you don't, I feel like stealing.

Enjoy your weekend !
Peter


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 on: February 26, 2015, 08:20:29 pm 
Started by vrao - Last post by vrao
Johacim,

One explanation could be that the USB cable has no deleterious effect in your system.
Otherwise it could be related to grounding, some kind of filtering happening either at the speaker or crossover level.

VJ

 8 
 on: February 26, 2015, 05:28:27 pm 
Started by vrao - Last post by christoffe

Anyways what got me excited was the gain in SNR .... Might seem strange when there is so much distortion, but just generally, proper cable matching will result in at least 6dB gain in SNR. That is just with USB

Regards,
VJ



Hi,

I do not hear on my system with "NO horns" the 6dB gain for the highs, and the tweeters are going up to 40KHz. There is a very balanced SQ with everything for the better (voices, drums, bass and guitar), except less air around the instruments in the listening position, but on the toilet/office the SQ is perfect.

Joachim

 9 
 on: February 26, 2015, 04:37:14 pm 
Started by vrao - Last post by vrao
Well,
It's been a few months since I auditioned the YFS cable, and most is from memory. Keeping things in timeline perspective is difficult. Few other USB cables have come across b/w then and now. The cable tour took way longer that originally planned. Overall intent was for all to know USB makes a easily noticeable difference, and to see its performance with different setups.
What I remember was that the sound was "wow" initially, totally 3D, and on listening longer, I.e. More than an hour or so continuously, the sound would change, with harshness and collapse of the sound stage. Then totally unbearable. So I thought about Di-electric relaxation.
Experiences so far indicate this cable has a hard time integrating with high efficiency horn speakers. Horns avoid a bunch of distortion a inherent in dynamic come drivers (not that it's doesn't have in own issues). Tube act like filters to a certain degree. Something along the audio chain is either reducing or counteracting the distortion in some setups, or the issue may not even exit elsewhere.

The possibility of the amps not being fast enough though I think is a bit off. The slew rate is somewhat of a hyperbole, just another indicator of the amplifiers band width. The slew rate if I remember right for amps in the Oreleos are more than adequate for audio reproduction as Hi-Fi. Oreleos have the best thought out configuration with individual amplifiers for separate channels, therefore reducing the load per driver during peak demand. Just as a side note here, the amplifiers power rating is for reproducing a particular note, power goes down to more than half if another note is added. How about music huh with complex notes ..? 
**edit**: That is why amplifiers sound different. They are clipping at one point or another. Technically speaking, if operated well within their power rating, all amps should sound exactly the same. This again brings in the point that TDH is just a small part of the equation. There are a few other related factors, but this is good for now.

VJ

 10 
 on: February 26, 2015, 03:03:30 pm 
Started by vrao - Last post by christoffe

Honestly I felt it might have to do with grounding! Who knows?!



Might be a good guess/hint!

see:

http://www.analog.com/library/analogDialogue/archives/46-06/staying_well_grounded.html

Joachim

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