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Author Topic: Cables with BNC Connectors/Adapters Are Generating A Superoir SQ  (Read 207300 times)
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« Reply #180 on: September 23, 2014, 02:47:33 pm »

Hi Peter,

shipping costs are? 25$ ?

Joachim

Joachim, I don't know yet. We (from out part of the world) can not process the orders in full because the shipping costs can not be calculated (as how they do it). However, I could give my UPS account, and then nothing needs to be calculated and at some stage I will get the bill for it. But this will merely be something like $100 I'm afraid ...
Maybe they can ship by normal mail, but then it can take weeks ... (my shipment is due tomorrow).

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« Reply #181 on: September 23, 2014, 06:44:38 pm »


No news from L-Com yet.

Meanwhile I just finished a pair of 93 Ohm (RG62).
Now I'll grab a beer and will press Play. Uh-oh ...
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« Reply #182 on: September 23, 2014, 07:36:04 pm »

I will try the Aircell-7 cable www.ssb.de/pdfs/6070_Aircell 7_en.pdf, because it's build from OFC copper. The cable manufacturer is manufacturing the 50 Ohm connectors too.

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« Reply #183 on: September 23, 2014, 07:58:18 pm »

Yo

So Georg, notice the actually better technical possibilities for stranded cable. Still, for audio this can work out quite differently than a single core cable. So let's see !

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« Reply #184 on: September 23, 2014, 08:04:08 pm »

Hope 93 ohm will match the NOS1a ...

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« Reply #185 on: September 23, 2014, 09:00:53 pm »

Brian,

No response from L-Com yet, and while it might run towards the end of their day, I'm about off as well (you know, dinner-happiness and such Wink Wink).

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« Reply #186 on: September 23, 2014, 10:27:59 pm »

About 75 versus 50 ohm:
When I was checking for the adapters I found a lot of them that said they were usable for 50 and 75 ohm.
But if you look at the attached picture you can see a difference inside the plug which results in a gap between the inner insulation between the plug and the adapter when using 75 ohm wire. This will give a discontinuty in the impedance of the cable probably leading to the dreaded reflections.
But then maybe not?


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« Reply #187 on: September 24, 2014, 12:16:02 am »

An answer from L-Com after all :

Our CENTER CONDUCTOR: 18 AWG. SOLID SILVER COATED COPPER. I hope that helps define your purchase.

What does this mean ? My English is not 100%. Reads like silver coated with copper ? nah ...
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« Reply #188 on: September 24, 2014, 02:01:07 am »

It does but type in RG142 in google and check other sites all but one(Farnell's) say silver coated copper steel.

http://www.awcwire.com/productspec.aspx?id=rg142-coaxial-cable

http://www.pasternack.com/images/ProductPDF/RG142B-U.pdf

The wiring industry does have strict standards especially with commercial grades as opposed to HiFi grades. Anyway not being a pain the cost is not a major issue and perhaps steel is the ONE!!!!
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« Reply #189 on: September 24, 2014, 02:42:21 am »

An answer from L-Com after all :

Our CENTER CONDUCTOR: 18 AWG. SOLID SILVER COATED COPPER. I hope that helps define your purchase.

What does this mean ? My English is not 100%. Reads like silver coated with copper ? nah ...
Peter, "Solid silver plated copper" means that the solid copper is  plated with silver... Why the "silver plated" between the "solid" and the "copper"... A language anomaly I guess, but it sure can be confusing when not too easy with English...

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« Reply #190 on: September 24, 2014, 11:54:19 am »

It does but type in RG142 in google and check other sites all but one(Farnell's) say silver coated copper steel.

http://www.awcwire.com/productspec.aspx?id=rg142-coaxial-cable

http://www.pasternack.com/images/ProductPDF/RG142B-U.pdf

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The wiring industry does have strict standards especially with commercial grades as opposed to HiFi grades. Anyway not being a pain the cost is not a major issue and perhaps steel is the ONE!!!!

I personally don't think so, but I also don't know all;
(Still) Thinking this is not voodoo but just "properties" you should be able to find that in the properties of the material BUT as how it is spec'd. And may be not all is spec'd what is important (for audio) or measurable in the first place. Still I don't see it much, but I also did not investigate "micro" differences. So for example, if you'd examine steel and copper of the exact same thickness for the core and ALSO compare an exact same insulation for the both (which is all about propagation speed of the cable as a whole), probably you will see a difference. But take a month to sort that out ...

Otherwise, I would say that the sheer fact that steel (metal) will contain (more) oxygen tnan copper, will deteriorate your steel cable after some time. I am not sure, but I think that copper only oxidises at the outside, while a metal will also do on the inside (and eats itself out). So this is quite another reason, and you won't find *that* in specs.

If I am wrong on this, please correct me. I am THE cable illeterate !

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« Reply #191 on: September 24, 2014, 12:08:36 pm »

About 75 versus 50 ohm:
When I was checking for the adapters I found a lot of them that said they were usable for 50 and 75 ohm.
But if you look at the attached picture you can see a difference inside the plug which results in a gap between the inner insulation between the plug and the adapter when using 75 ohm wire. This will give a discontinuty in the impedance of the cable probably leading to the dreaded reflections.
But then maybe not?


Gerard, I have been looking at that (same picture) too;
With ALL the 75 Ohm cables I ran into, I never saw the connector like that. Now don't ask me what's truth and what is not. But I would say there *has* to be a difference in the dielectricum in the connector. One notice : When the connectors actually look (dimensionally) the same (these days ?) then there won't be this gap as you suggest.

However :

By pure coincidence I reasoned out myself yesterday (prior to seeing your post about this) that possibly it is harmless (what ? well, the non-fit between connections). The reason for thinking this you will find in my next post, but the argument for it would be that it is about the CABLE and what happens after that is short-distance stuff. But really, don't ask me ...
So cable is terminated, and beyond that - like with the poor RCA connector - should be unimportant, as long as distances *after* (and before) the terminating connectors are limited (to ??).

Oh man, what few things we know (in the end) ...

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« Reply #192 on: September 24, 2014, 01:11:02 pm »

So ... About my 93 Ohm cable experience ...

Let me describe it like this : the most bad-ass sound I ever experienced. And I don't think I was drugged.

I could start shouting like we often do, but I'll just keep it "quiet" with the above expression. Okay, I just made it bold. Happy

Also : If I now see what a HUGE differences this all makes, then there must be a year ahead of us in improving by these means. But never mind that for now.

Haha, and now you still don't know the verdict eh ? Well, let me try to put it like this :

This has been the very first time for me that I felt in a great hurry. So just imagine : I put up some album, and into the second track of it I *had* to go to a next album. And a next. And so on, for the whole of the 4 hours or so. This - and this seems crucial - while I was DYING to listen to the remainder of each album. But all I did was hopping to the next to explore that, each time thinking : oh boy, what a super nice surprises will be waiting for me the next days and weeks.

Now you know my verdict. yes

What I did first was playing the last two tracks of the day before. Very first notice : oops, so clear ??
Then, again a strange thing I did : after 30 seconds I went out of the room, thinking that I'd better let run-in the lot for 20 minutes (this seems to be necessary with the NOS1(a).
When I came back, the last minute of that second track played, and all I thought was : did I play this yesterday ?

At the next album I tried to focus on that clearness, but I did not succeed much on that. In aftermath I merely thought : that clearness was not clearness as such, but stability. So, how a guitar string can sound super straight (when no vibrato is applied). A bit of a strange effect ...

But the whole bad-ass effect emerged from other albums and this was much more of a surprise;
Because I wanted to check the highs, I put on the most "square" music I can think of - Phutureprimitive (no, you won't like that, but it's super for "test signals"). Now, of course hard to explain, as usual, but all what's normally super pinpointed and sharp (and dangerous for good sound) turned into sheer roar and fundament and, well, BAD-ASS. The whole idea of such an album changes with it. It's like that originally it was made for a refined bringing across some luminous landscape whatever, while now it was putting the message to you the rough way. Tell the message in 1 minute instead of 60. Next, have digested that message and listen for the remainder of 59 minutes to the story about the message.
Okay, I'm nuts. But say (and I only think of this now, really) that I saved the story for tomorrow and next week, just because the subject seems so attractive. Quickly read on to the next summarisation of the next story. Not more.

Later I thought that this was by far the very best balance I ever received. It also was the first time that all was full of bass while no bass was too loud or overwhelming. I thought of double Windows 7 with quadruple Windows 8 sauce. All so well defined. Deep down earth included, but now only when deep down earth was in the story.
I forgot the album/track, but a first track of some album I play regurlarly, suddenly started out with sub-low roar I never heard before. At first I thought of a thunder-blast outside.
That kind of thing.

How ?
Of course I don't know. But I do know that I liked the 93 Ohm from the start - just for theories. So things like capacitance are way better and IIRC propagation speed the same.
But before you now all start to obtain 93 Ohm cables (RG62) ... there's quite some mistery around. Well, in my particular case;

First off, you won't be able to buy assembled cables for 93 Ohm. Nah, not true, but these things are so rare (these days) that possibly you won't be able to get "your length".

Next is, the RG62 is spec'd again with steel. Or at least that's what I ran into. But now mine ...
I can't be 100% sure, but with the bare eye it looks like copper throughout, and looking with a microscope doesn't change my mind really. However, hard to see because when you cut the core it will "squeeze" and the top will fold over the core itself (I hope you understand). Still, I hoped for it to begin with, because this is cable from the old days and possibly copper wasn't regarded so expensive and they just put it in. Also, the cable has no other purpose than communications and it could be the best ? Mind you, this WAS so, today not any more. OK, never mind.

The core is .63mm and the copper braid is "visually 100%" (this "visually" I see some times as official spec). One shield only.
The insulation is so stiff around the braid that it really needs skill to pull it off. Btw, this will not be the best for propagation speed.

The connectors should be official 93 Ohm, but I can't check that (anymore). This is btw the same with the cable; all stuff is written on it (including MIL spec blah), but only one single reference by Google, and the forum post concerned (2003) was about wireless. Yes, out of all.

Then, I had to use the 50 Ohm to-RCA adapters. Of course there's nothing available for 93 Ohm. But as "reasoned" in my previous post ... maybe harmless ? It should, or otherwise what's behind the connection (behinnd binding post in the device) is as harmful.

What explicitly came to my mind yesterday is that this sounds like warm piss. Yes, sorry for the expression, but I once in a time I adopted that for sound which is so fluent that it is easy to hear that nothing holds back. My thinking went even as far as envisioning some "accelerator" implied by the 90 Ohm to 50 Ohm boundary. Wishful thinking perhaps, and at this moment a bit beyond me, but I really wondered WHAT actually could imply all this current flowing. Notice though that at making passive current to voltage converters (I/V in DAC terms) the I/V resistor better be at the amp's end than at the source end. That too creates "current through the cable". Maybe this coincidentally does similar, with the 93 Ohm - 50 Ohm relation.
Notice that this happens at two ends (DAC and amp), so I really don't know ...

I made this cable 3.5 meters, and the 3m stranded 50 Ohm sounds like a fragile baby in comparison. And that in a situation of not one week ago when I called that the best balance ever. But baby balance is different from bad-ass balance.

Maybe this all goes too fast ?
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« Reply #193 on: September 24, 2014, 01:49:08 pm »

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Our CENTER CONDUCTOR: 18 AWG. SOLID SILVER COATED COPPER

I believe the above quote is missing two commas:SOLID, SILVER COATED, COPPER.

I think the person who answered your email just quoted the catalog page and probably doesn't know the answer to your email question..........

HOWEVER:

Well if the L-Com RG 142 is steel then steel sounds better than you would think! Very weird that they list steel as a center conductor component in many of their cables but not the 142. I'm giving them a call today. I'm also going to order some RG 223.

Hi Brian,

I do use an identical type cable to the RG142 with copper coated steel strands and the SQ is great. Let's see (hear) what the RG223 is emerging.

Joachim

Thanks Joachim. Somehow I missed this post yesterday. Probably because I felt so embarrassed about saying how great STEEL cable sounds. Anyway, I again listened for three hours last night and there is just no comparison between my silver Darwin RCA's, my RG 58, and my RG 142's. The RG 142's are as Peter states about his RG 93's BADASS. As I said in Reply 161:

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In one sense you could say the sound seems more bright or fresh, but not in a fake or objectionable way. Rather, its like you just opened the door to the club and you are immediately overwhelmed by the sound. Maybe I'm crazy or just like bad sound, but for me, this is the most significant change for the better in my system since I got one of Bert's amps.

Peter, I'm waiting for your L-Com order to arrive to see what you think of the RG 142's!

Brian
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« Reply #194 on: September 24, 2014, 01:53:40 pm »

Brian, I never even thought any more about your "bad" description !!

Fun ...
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