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Author Topic: Cables with BNC Connectors/Adapters Are Generating A Superoir SQ  (Read 223036 times)
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« Reply #195 on: September 24, 2014, 02:57:53 pm »

Quote from Wiki article on copper clad steel:
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Since the outer conductor layer is low-impedance copper, and the center is higher impedance steel, the skin effect gives copper-clad RF transmission lines impedance at high AC frequencies similar to that of a solid copper conductor.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper-clad_steel

Don't know if this helps explain.......
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« Reply #196 on: September 24, 2014, 04:13:05 pm »

OK, not about SQ, but about L-Com. Or maybe SQ after all - later.
Look below. 13 AWG bare copper eh ...
Well, that's what I ordered, assuming it's a stranded cable like the RG213 spec tells. This as an opposite to the RG142 ordered from there too, with solid core and all the confusion so far.

I just opened the box and at first couldn't understand a f*ck of it. One nice light brown cable, thin, but not flexible at all, and one 1cm thick cable which ... no, I can't call that flexible. Then I read what's on the thick one (the thin one doesn't have an incription) and it says LG213. Huh ? I expected that for the thin cable.
But the below pic explains all. It is 13 AWG bare copper !

For AWG outsiders : The smaller the number, the larger the diameter. 13 AWG equals 1.83 mm !!
And for example AWG 19 equals 0.912 mm.

Now what I don't understand is that I spent 5 hours looking for that better cable than Brian found, found nothing anywhere, made a couple of mistakes - seemingly - and ended up with all this. A 0.912 mm solid core copper silver plated (as they say) and an 1.83 mm bare copper (expecting 7 tiny strands).

I didn't intend at all to try the new cables today already, after the 93 Ohm experience, but I now think I will !!

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« Reply #197 on: September 24, 2014, 04:31:04 pm »

So, what does it read THERE eh ??

STRANDED
I suppose these guys don't know much what they are doing. Actually I really can't tell. The cable is thick enough to carry such a solid core, but maybe it is just not stiff enough to really have that. On the other hand, it is heavy and won't get straight from its being rolled up but this could be the insulation itself.

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But the below pic explains all. It is 13 AWG bare copper !

Yes, but it doesn't say solid.

I give up.


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« Reply #198 on: September 24, 2014, 04:44:04 pm »

I can't be 100% sure, but with the bare eye it looks like copper throughout, and looking with a microscope doesn't change my mind really. However, hard to see because when you cut the core it will "squeeze" and the top will fold over the core itself (I hope you understand).

Okay, someone gave me the idea to find out with a magnet. Yeah, well, uhm ...

That 93 Ohm cable of mine contains metal ...
(not the shield)

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« Reply #199 on: September 24, 2014, 06:08:29 pm »

OK, not about SQ, but about L-Com. Or maybe SQ after all - later.
Look below. 13 AWG bare copper eh ...
Well, that's what I ordered, assuming it's a stranded cable like the RG213 spec tells. This as an opposite to the RG142 ordered from there too, with solid core and all the confusion so far.

I just opened the box and at first couldn't understand a f*ck of it. One nice light brown cable, thin, but not flexible at all, and one 1cm thick cable which ... no, I can't call that flexible. Then I read what's on the thick one (the thin one doesn't have an incription) and it says LG213. Huh ? I expected that for the thin cable.
But the below pic explains all. It is 13 AWG bare copper !

For AWG outsiders : The smaller the number, the larger the diameter. 13 AWG equals 1.83 mm !!
And for example AWG 19 equals 0.912 mm.

Now what I don't understand is that I spent 5 hours looking for that better cable than Brian found, found nothing anywhere, made a couple of mistakes - seemingly - and ended up with all this. A 0.912 mm solid core copper silver plated (as they say) and an 1.83 mm bare copper (expecting 7 tiny strands).

I didn't intend at all to try the new cables today already, after the 93 Ohm experience, but I now think I will !!

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Didn't you order RG223?

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« Reply #200 on: September 24, 2014, 06:21:08 pm »

Joachim ... No ... When you guys came up with that my order for the others was shipped already. But since that RG142 should be copper after all ... I think it's OK (if it is only true that it is copper).

But as it appears now, by RG62 (93 Ohm) is metal, plated with copper. But, 0.63mm core while the RG142 should be 0.91mm core (but copper, silver plated).

Who is not going to be crazy of this.
Still very worth while I think.

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« Reply #201 on: September 24, 2014, 09:12:55 pm »

Just got off the phone with L-Com product technical support. The guy swears that the RG 142 is silver coated copper, no steel. When I told him the industry standard is copper clad steel he said, "I'm looking at our technical specifications for the RG 142 bulk cable, and the center conductor is silver plated copper."

Do I believe him? Don't know.....

Just waiting to hear what Peter HEARS.....
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« Reply #202 on: September 25, 2014, 01:25:40 pm »

I ordered what Peter told me to get and had it in 3 days. Had a listen last night and next to my SilverSmith Palladium cables it sounds like metal wire. No good.

For those who have the BNC cable what IC is it replacing?

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« Reply #203 on: September 25, 2014, 01:33:58 pm »

So how does metal wire sound ?
(this is a serious question)
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« Reply #204 on: September 25, 2014, 01:44:44 pm »

Metal wire sounds like the NOS1a is broken with a splash and thin sound. Just installing the connectors made me break out in hives as I know better. It could be copper strand solid core or steel or whatever you want to put in there it is not going to out run the SilverSmith cables. The big question for me is what IC is being replaced in the BNC users systems??? Also what SC's and AC cables??

I think the BNC kills the upgrade work Happy

I have an extra set of Palladium I should send you Peter and then you will hear.
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« Reply #205 on: September 25, 2014, 02:00:53 pm »

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big question for me is what IC is being replaced in the BNC users systems???

I am no measure anyway because I use 1$ stuff to begin with. Sorry ...

But as you will have read, the ones you obtained are night and day different from the (93 Ohm) I am using now. Or useD, because tonight a next set goes in.

It would be correct to describe the ones you obtained as thin in comparison. Well, I called it a "baby" compared to the bad-ass of the ones I have in now.
Be very careful of not other issues being the matter, like my trial with the "babies" and the PC being in that other mains (earth) ring. Now THAT was thin hence completely wrong.

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« Reply #206 on: September 25, 2014, 02:07:10 pm »

Metal wire sounds like the NOS1a is broken with a splash and thin sound. Just installing the connectors made me break out in hives as I know better. It could be copper strand solid core or steel or whatever you want to put in there it is not going to out run the SilverSmith cables. The big question for me is what IC is being replaced in the BNC users systems??? Also what SC's and AC cables??

I think the BNC kills the upgrade work Happy

I have an extra set of Palladium I should send you Peter and then you will hear.

Hi,

interesting.

I heard with Nordost Valhalla and Entreq RCA's before, and changed the NOS1a to poweramp connection only, nothing else.

The prices of the Palladium are appr. 15% above the Valhalla's.

Joachim

http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue20/silversmithpalladium.htm
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« Reply #207 on: September 25, 2014, 02:07:53 pm »

Hi Peter,
Im convinced that your 93 Ohm coax (RG62) is steel (based) cable so you are on steel already and you are happy camper Happy
Perhaps it contains some more copper: 0.64mm galvanized, according to local cable manufacturer (and related to MIL-C-17 US spec).
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« Reply #208 on: September 25, 2014, 02:24:51 pm »

Ok so what new ones to order now? I very much want to sell my IC for $20.00'wire.
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« Reply #209 on: September 25, 2014, 02:32:33 pm »

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is steel (based) cable so you are on steel already and you are happy camper Happy

George, I can't tell yet. 2 days really is not enough for me. But I think I can share one property already :
Possibly a tad too rough in the highs.

This is really hard to judge because what actually seems to happen is the taking out of too high mere hissing frequencies. So I talked about "white" earlier and this sort of does the opposite (not make it grey but takes it out). So there's actually more colour in the highs. More live-like as well.
Also, this is not very much noticeable in itself. What is though, is the less refined sound. So funny : my "bad-ass" description came from the FAT sound springing from somewhat higher frequencies now carrying fundament, and it did certainly not spring from rougher highs. Still I think it springs from there because today I would like to call it "bad-ass" because of merely that (rougher highs). Say less gorgious but more music.

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For a general PC :
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*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10  (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
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