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Author Topic: Cables with BNC Connectors/Adapters Are Generating A Superoir SQ  (Read 541805 times)
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« Reply #120 on: September 16, 2014, 02:49:53 pm »

Hi Guys,

Seems to be a very interesting discovery (if I may call it). Certainly worth attempting as the cost is very minimal. However for guys (like me) who are still using a pre amp,  should we go a step further & attempt to change the interconnect between the pre amp & amp too?

Best regards,

Arvind

Hi Arvind,

please see the PDF in the Reply #45 of this thread.

I do not have any experience with a 50Ohm BNC connection from the NOS1 to a preamp. You have to test it.

From my experience with the 50Ohm BNC connection between the Dartzeel pre- and poweramp the difference ( if we make it simple) to the RCA connection was appr. 20% in favour for the BNC.

You will get the best result/SQ omitting the preamp (Peters suggestion for the best SQ possible since the beginning), if your poweramp has a decent/reliable DC offset protection.

The BNC connection between the NOS1 and the poweramp creates a new SQ.
Mani wrote, that he do not hear any cable!

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« Reply #121 on: September 16, 2014, 04:01:41 pm »

Arvind needs the gain of his preamp ...

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if your poweramp has a decent/reliable DC offset protection.

Huh ??
Only if you refuse to use the DC Offset procedure.
Or, of course, if you like to use Pahse Alignment.

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« Reply #122 on: September 16, 2014, 04:16:26 pm »


Only if you refuse to use the DC Offset procedure.


Hi Peter,

eh? So I'm behind as always!  dntknw

Please explain. Thanx.

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« Reply #123 on: September 16, 2014, 04:48:29 pm »

Joachim, explain about what ?
I don't understand. And I won't believe that you don't know how to set the DC Offset right in your NOS1(a).

And if it is not that, then it is your turn to explain ... yes

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« Reply #124 on: September 16, 2014, 05:37:33 pm »

Joachim, explain about what ?
I don't understand. And I won't believe that you don't know how to set the DC Offset right in your NOS1(a).

And if it is not that, then it is your turn to explain ... yes

Peter

Hi Peter,

thanx.

when you are talking about the NOS1 especially it's ok. Meanwhile I have another procedure for it, and it works quite well.

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« Reply #125 on: September 16, 2014, 05:56:37 pm »

Hi,

I will check out the SQ diff between Nos1 & pre amp. I can't go without a pre amp due to gain reqd by the pre amp (as Peter mentioned) to drive the amps.

Probably a very stupid question; why can't the 50 Ohm coax cable be directly terminated with RCA. Why terminate it with BNC & then use an adapter.

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« Reply #126 on: September 16, 2014, 07:37:32 pm »

Only if you refuse to use the DC Offset procedure.

Huh? "DC offset procedure"? I know how to check the DC offset with the built-in meters, of course. But there is a procedure? For what? For minimising the DC offset? If so, please let me know where I can learn more about this - I've searched and can't find anything.

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« Reply #127 on: September 16, 2014, 10:54:21 pm »

Today my cheap BNC arrived. 4 times 3 meters including adapters for 25 euro. Put it between the preamp and 4 mono poweramps. Tubes in pre and top-poweramp. Silicon in the bass.
Well it was very clear to hear the difference. The hash has gone, maybe lacking transients or just the distortion missing? I think the latter.
Because my son wants to see the soccergames the sound is coming from sattelite-tv through the pc and it is amazing how good even that sounds. TV-voices sounding very natural too!

I'll order more bnc's for all low-level sources.
At my supplier they have readymade cables of 3m for 50 ohm and .5m and 1m for 75 ohm. These are goldplated and look nicer but I'm convinced the better sound has to come from the interface between 50 ohm impedance from the cable and the different impedance meeting each other not in the boundary with the cable but in the boundary between adapter and amplifier. So reflections stay in the adapter.
This effect should be the same for 75 ohms, as long as both cable, connector and adapter are the same.

Thanks for this incredable tweek!
(Sorry for the manufacturers of expensive cables!)
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« Reply #128 on: September 16, 2014, 11:52:34 pm »

Hi,

I will check out the SQ diff between Nos1 & pre amp. I can't go without a pre amp due to gain reqd by the pre amp (as Peter mentioned) to drive the amps.

Probably a very stupid question; why can't the 50 Ohm coax cable be directly terminated with RCA. Why terminate it with BNC & then use an adapter.

Regards,

Arvind

Hi Arvind,

see this "explanation"

Signal cable
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Where possible RCA connectors should be avoided: they may be the established standard for most Hi-fi equipment but bring a number of disadvantages. The separated earthing they provide is not ideal and has a negative effect on the noise ratio. RCA connectors can also create reflection that can detract from the real signal in the cable. We recommend BNC cable with RCA adapters to reduce this.

from

http://www.phonosophie.de/International/setup.html

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« Reply #129 on: September 17, 2014, 08:19:17 am »

Only if you refuse to use the DC Offset procedure.

Huh? "DC offset procedure"? I know how to check the DC offset with the built-in meters, of course. But there is a procedure? For what? For minimising the DC offset? If so, please let me know where I can learn more about this - I've searched and can't find anything.

Pfff ...  Happy

If you'd switch on your NOS1 without checking the DC Offset, then ?
Then it can be wrong and when so you'll *have* DC Offset.
So what do you do ?
You apply something to get it right. That "something" is a procedure. Especially because it's written out in the install guide.

It is as simple as that.
Let's stop this subject, because it is related to nothing. wacko

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« Reply #130 on: September 17, 2014, 09:49:03 am »

A small intermediate report from my side :

I can NOT be sure at this moment, but I think that the BNC cable shifts the spectrum in such fashion that generally dynamics are lost (or less would be a better description).

This is quite contradictionary because I am fairly 100% sure that the highs gain from it. But about the bass I don't know;

It feels like an "outward spread" from say 500Hz or something (the 500Hz is jist a wild guess and may be totally off). So think like this "cross point" is under-emphasized and what's taken out there goes to the bass and to the highs. The effect ? All is more slow.

What I will do for tonight's session is *lowering" the bass output. So, it is not only me saying that there's more bass output with this cable, and to me it is already clear that for my normal setting this now is too much. But notice : Not in the realm of too much really, but in the realm of something not being right. This very very much depends on the album (or recording if you want). But for example, a Bob Marley just doesn't want to play AT ALL any more. It is just completely coloured, heavy and without the snap it normally has. I say : the mid has gone. Just poop ... vanished.

How ?

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« Reply #131 on: September 18, 2014, 11:11:57 am »

And a next one :

Let's say I was able to solve the "issue" by lowering the bass output. Story is more complicated - but only to indicate that we can ignore my previous post.

Next though, Mani gave me a hint dat normal Arc Prediction could be better and "will post in the forum". Well, Mani apperently did not, and probably he withdrew his findings, but meanwhile I tried it myself ...

Maybe it's wrong judgement, but previously it was quite easy for me to hear the "distortion" from normal Arc Prediction. I mean, after using the Custom Filter this was easy.
But not now and I actually liked it very much.

So I don't want to make it all tooooooo complicated, but it looks like the "distortion" as such was incurred for by the normal interlink. And this can very well be (transients are higher with normal Arc Predition).

Although very much burried in this topic, and nobody will ever find it back, I now have a next remark :

The Custom Filter (from the also hidden 1.186-i) implies a slight flavour as well. I never told about this because in my view the "less distortion" was more important, but since now that distortion seems to be out of the way ...
The Custom Filter brings a small flavour of "hissing". Hard to explain because this is not hissing at all, but I don't know how to describe it better. Let's say that the top end of the frequency spectrum (OK the end that I can still hear) mushes into a "white" sound (not grey !). So when you listen closely you can hear this white flavour;

Yesterday, after setting all back to normal (the "standard") for my Oreo MKII speaker, and after listening to Arc Prediction, all came together and I (finally ?) heard back my usual sound (I have been using the Custom Filter exclusively since May). But the "usual sound" means : that now (somehow) it is right away obvious that *nothing* sounds the same. IOW, apparently we can get used to flavours as well (I knew it, but I learned to not be disturbed by it).

All 'n all today's message is : I think people using the Custom Filter should revisit Normal Arc Prediction *IF* they are using the BNC cable.

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« Reply #132 on: September 18, 2014, 01:08:37 pm »

I tried custom filter last night and did not like it compared with Arc Prediction. On the Elvis Costello track from hell it really did seem that the custom filter introduced a "metallic" type edgy distortion to the vocals. That is with my RCA interconnects. I will try coax in the next few days hopefully this weekend.

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« Reply #133 on: September 19, 2014, 10:16:24 am »


I don't think I need to wait any longer with reporting with what I hear today.
But first the sequence of happenings/changes, so people can follow; topics with main numbers and sub letters were applied/active at the same time (like 1a, 1b, 1c, 1d).

1a. NOS1.
1b. My previous speakers and amps.
1c. 75 Ohm coax Interlinks with Neutrik connectors. Length 1m80.
1d. Audio PC connected to mains earth.

2. Orelino Speakers + amplifiers.

3a. Orelo MKII speakers + new amplifiers.
3b. 75 Ohm coax Interlinks with Neutrik connectors. Length ~4m.

4a. NOS1a prototype (all components new).
4b. XXHighEnd Custom Filter.

5. NOS1a production version (used DAC board from my original 4 year broken in NOS1).

6. Bass tweaks for people who think they like more bass.

7. BNC Interlinks + RCA adapters. Length = 3m.

8. Disconnected Audio PC from mains earth.

9a. Back to native ("original") Orelo MKII DSP measured settings.
9b. Back to Arc Prediction.

BINGO

If you follow the sequence, you can see how things can creap in for the worse. Or better, how the one challenges for the other while actually we should always "reset" back to base. Well, look at my list. Undoable to even think about such thing. For example, why would I go back to Arc Prediction at the stage of #5. The well broken in DAC board sounded better, so "no need to". But it's just an example because it's full of it. Also see #8, which was for the (measured) better, most probably since 4a.

Still, I dedicate the biggest POSSIBILITY for change to the BNC cable. So if I now look what NET changed, it's actually only that (but a bit depending on where I start to observe the list / my history).

I can't even begin to tell what just the audible changes of going from #8 to #9 are. It's just totally crazy. As if I have cascaded 10 DSP processors with all their own goodies for the sound (OK, I am against DSP for such means, but I hope you get what I mean).
The room is so full of sound everywhere with *nothing* I could detect for anomaly or disturbing or whatever, during a sheer 6 hours of continuous playing.

I can also tell you that these 6 hours where the most challenging, especially when we moved outside for probably the last BBQ of the year and outside we listened to the music coming from around a couple of corners at something like close to 90dB hence my normal listening level, while inside it played at 110. For hours and hours everybody could pick their favorite to play (think a 100 tracks from 100 different albums), actually focused on "musical icons", meanwhile teaching our Paul what in our opinion those icons are. So it went all over the place, and much of it was from the 60's or early 70's. All sounded as good and as balanced.

What I just tried to describe is the for me very strange phenomenon that you can play for such a long time, and with so various material, that it is actally impossible that you don't run into something with too lean bass, too sharp highs or something else wrong. But nothing-nowhere.
This is how I wrote the BINGO"; as if I suddenly found how all the pieces of the puzzle must be layed. And that after so many years.

I am convinced it is about the interlink, because what it does was audible for me right form the start (just the same as Joachim described it), but all of that suddenly popped out in ten-fold. Why ? that must be the Arc Prediction Filtering.
And so my still a bit cautious conclusion :

With Arc Prediction the transients can be called infinitely high (depending on what's in the material). I could also say : there's nothing in there that filters those transient. No-thing.
The Custom Filter though, sure filters. It's only the the time-domain is still very OK (hardly any ringing).
Now we must think further and how those transients were "killed" in the normal interlink. Killed should mean : reflections of them and which for electrical (not digital) means high frequency reflections (or reflections of high frequencies (only ??) - also good).

What I just said HAS to be so, because after the NOS1a (that pronouncing all very better/more) I *had* to make the Custom Filter because I could hear distortion (and I did not blame the NOS1a). And the Custom Filter sure helped. It also ("at the same time") tamed the sound we could perceive as too fresh perhaps. I liked it.
Now ? well, now I'd say that 12dB of high output has been added and totally nothing distorts. It's back to the "infinitely highs" as I have described longer ago with which I mean that you can hear that it can even have way more highs output, and nothing will start to distort or get nasty. You just turn up the volume of the cymbals so to speak.
And with the (BNC) interlink now not messing up the signal, all is ... well, I can't describe it anyway. All I kept on noticing over and over again was that live bands played to us from the room inside.

If this is not the best ever, then I don't know.
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« Reply #134 on: September 19, 2014, 11:29:15 am »

btw is that somthing Phasure can deliver? Would be nice to have exactly same type..  Happy

(the above from the other topic, because I think it fits better in here)

I have been thinking about that, because I can see that people have difficulties with obtaining the right type. Maybe it is psychologically because "we" want to improve further, but meanwhile nothing seems to happen for many.

So yes, of course, we can provide a set. I just looked at the invoice and it says EUR 73,74 for the set of 3 meters plus (gold plated) adapters. If I add 15 euros for the trouble plus the shipping (normal mail) then it's 90 euros.
Shorter/longer lengths are available too (max 5m).

Do notice that the 73,74 is quite ridiculous because it's still a 1$ cable plus connectors of a few. But in this case I don't like to make them myself (too dangerous for the soldering/crimping thinking about the exact 50 Ohm impedance FWIW Happy).

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A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).

For a general PC :
W10-10586.0 - May 2016 (2.05+)
*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10  (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
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